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Or just pay for Premium... No one's forcing you to do anything.

by okdood64 1y ago

inetknght 1y ago
Wait until Google shows ads in premium too. Paid-for cable TV did the same rugpull decades ago.
- jfoster 1y ago
  So what's your argument? That YouTube shouldn't exist, or that it should be a charity? Something else?
  - morsch 1y ago
    Both sound like good options to me. Split it up or turn it into a nonprofit. Although I suppose the former would man paying 15 bucks to each baby YouTube, so maybe not.
  - Freak_NL 1y ago
    How about advertising without the tracking? Advertising not shown specifically to me because of any attributes Google thinks apply to me? Advertising limited to a 5s lead in at the start of the video (today, this video is sponsored by …) and a static banner hidden when going full-screen. Advertising held to high standards, and advertising which can be vetoed by the video's uploader. In short, ethical advertising. Google can surely figure this out and still turn a profit on Youtube. Greed stops them from doing this.
    - Mindwipe 1y ago
      Google almost certainly doesn't turn a profit on YouTube now. It would unquestionably lose billions of dollars a year with the advertising you want.
      - Lio 1y ago
        Why? Surely knowing the content of the video gives them enough context to serve advertising relevant to the viewer without tracking. At the very least they could guarentee that YouTube Premium tracking doesn't get used for profiling later. I think that would be a very acceptable solution but they don't offer it. You pay but you're still snooped on.
  - inetknght 1y ago
    > So what's your argument? That YouTube shouldn't exist, or that it should be a charity? Something else? I've been thinking about it for a long time (years). I don't really have the right words for my thoughts, and I think charity is probably closest. But yes, at this point, I think that many "free" services should be charities to prevent them from being corrupted by rugpulls.
- oefrha 1y ago
  That’s the thing about modern capitalism. Making profit isn’t enough, the profit has to keep growing. So once the market is saturated, you either reduce perks, jack up prices, bundle new features to jack up prices (my GSuite bills doubled in ~3 years before I went in and adjusted the plan; the latest price hike “reflects the significant added AI value”), or find new ways to monetize the same users (ads, “partners”, etc.). It’s inevitable.
- climb_stealth 1y ago
  Sure, then stop paying for it when they start showing ads in premium. It's a monthly subscription. Not paying for it because it might become bad some time in the future is not a great argument.
- al_borland 1y ago
  I’m a Premium subscriber. If they show me a single ad I will unsubscribe immediately.
hirvi74 1y ago
Without the ads, I'd probably spend way too much time on YouTube. I need something to push me into the rage-quit territory after enough time has passed.
- al_borland 1y ago
  I subscribe to Premium and quit a while back with this idea in mind. It didn’t work. The ads made me rage-sign-up-for-premium. Of the various streaming platforms I subscribe to, I probably get the most value from YouTube. Though I wish there was an option to get it for less without YouTube Muisc, that didn’t also lead to ads on YouTube itself. I was excited when I saw Lite announced, then I read the details and my excitement quickly faded and turned into disappointment.

Or just pay for Premium... No one's forcing you to do anything.

inetknght 1y ago

Wait until Google shows ads in premium too. Paid-for cable TV did the same rugpull decades ago.

jfoster 1y ago
So what's your argument? That YouTube shouldn't exist, or that it should be a charity? Something else?
- morsch 1y ago
  Both sound like good options to me. Split it up or turn it into a nonprofit. Although I suppose the former would man paying 15 bucks to each baby YouTube, so maybe not.
- Freak_NL 1y ago
  How about advertising without the tracking? Advertising not shown specifically to me because of any attributes Google thinks apply to me? Advertising limited to a 5s lead in at the start of the video (today, this video is sponsored by …) and a static banner hidden when going full-screen. Advertising held to high standards, and advertising which can be vetoed by the video's uploader. In short, ethical advertising. Google can surely figure this out and still turn a profit on Youtube. Greed stops them from doing this.
  - Mindwipe 1y ago
    Google almost certainly doesn't turn a profit on YouTube now. It would unquestionably lose billions of dollars a year with the advertising you want.
    - Lio 1y ago
      Why? Surely knowing the content of the video gives them enough context to serve advertising relevant to the viewer without tracking. At the very least they could guarentee that YouTube Premium tracking doesn't get used for profiling later. I think that would be a very acceptable solution but they don't offer it. You pay but you're still snooped on.
- inetknght 1y ago
  > So what's your argument? That YouTube shouldn't exist, or that it should be a charity? Something else? I've been thinking about it for a long time (years). I don't really have the right words for my thoughts, and I think charity is probably closest. But yes, at this point, I think that many "free" services should be charities to prevent them from being corrupted by rugpulls.
oefrha 1y ago
That’s the thing about modern capitalism. Making profit isn’t enough, the profit has to keep growing. So once the market is saturated, you either reduce perks, jack up prices, bundle new features to jack up prices (my GSuite bills doubled in ~3 years before I went in and adjusted the plan; the latest price hike “reflects the significant added AI value”), or find new ways to monetize the same users (ads, “partners”, etc.). It’s inevitable.
climb_stealth 1y ago
Sure, then stop paying for it when they start showing ads in premium. It's a monthly subscription. Not paying for it because it might become bad some time in the future is not a great argument.
al_borland 1y ago
I’m a Premium subscriber. If they show me a single ad I will unsubscribe immediately.

hirvi74 1y ago

Without the ads, I'd probably spend way too much time on YouTube. I need something to push me into the rage-quit territory after enough time has passed.

al_borland 1y ago
I subscribe to Premium and quit a while back with this idea in mind. It didn’t work. The ads made me rage-sign-up-for-premium. Of the various streaming platforms I subscribe to, I probably get the most value from YouTube. Though I wish there was an option to get it for less without YouTube Muisc, that didn’t also lead to ads on YouTube itself. I was excited when I saw Lite announced, then I read the details and my excitement quickly faded and turned into disappointment.