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Of course not. AMD stubbornly refuses to recognise the huge numbers of low- or medium- budget researchers, hobbyists, and open source developers. This ignoran

Of course not. AMD stubbornly refuses to recognise the huge numbers of low- or medium- budget researchers, hobbyists, and open source developers. This ignorance of how software development is done has resulted in them losing out on a multi-trillion-dollar market. It's incredible to me how obstinate certain segments of the industry (such as hardware design) can be.

gdiamos 1y ago
startups and researchers are broke, just like Geoff Hinton in 2006 - https://blog.waqasrana.me/assets/papers/hinton2006.pdf https://blog.waqasrana.me/assets/papers/hinton2006.pdf
- behnamoh 1y ago
  no we're not broke! we constantly write grants and receive funding from various sources. guess what hardware we recommend the University to purchase? it's 99.9% Nvidia, and sometimes Mac Studio just to play with MLX.
  - gdiamos 1y ago
    I mean broke compared to Meta or OpenAI. AI research used to be fringe and not well funded. Back in those days, 99.9% of hardware was Xeon.
    - ryao 1y ago
      It has gone through many boom and busy cycles. If you go far back enough, it was very well funded. In particular, I recall reading about the US government investing 1 to 2 billion dollars during the Cold War into AI research to translate Russian into English. It had some very impressive demos on preselected Russian texts that had justified the investments. However, it failed to yield results on arbitrary texts. The translation problem has only been mostly solved in recent years.
rfv6723 1y ago
These ppl are very loud online, but they don't make decisions for hyperscalers which are biggest spenders on AI chips. AMD is doing just fine, Oracle just announced an AI cluster with up to 131,072 of AMD's new MI355X GPUs. AMD needs to focus on bringing rack-scale mi400 as quickly as possible to market, rather than those hobbyists always find something to complain instead of spending money.
- almostgotcaught 1y ago
  > These ppl are very loud online, but they don't make decisions for hyperscalers which are biggest spenders on AI chips. this guy gets it - absolutely no one cares about the hobby market because it's absolutely not how software development is done (nor is it how software is paid for).
  - pstuart 1y ago
    The hobby market should be considered as a pipeline to future customers. It doesn't mean AMD should drop everything and cater specifically to them, but they'd be foolish to ignore them altogether.
  - justahuman74 1y ago
    The hobby market is how you get 'market default' N years later
    - almostgotcaught 1y ago
      citation please
      - orbital-decay 1y ago
        Nvidia's success.
        almostgotcaught 1y ago
        You think the company that supplies every hyperscalers is market leader because of the hobbyist segment? Lol
naveen99 1y ago
There is no mass middle market… it’s volume or luxury… middle management is for taxes.

gdiamos 1y ago

startups and researchers are broke, just like Geoff Hinton in 2006 - https://blog.waqasrana.me/assets/papers/hinton2006.pdf https://blog.waqasrana.me/assets/papers/hinton2006.pdf

behnamoh 1y ago
no we're not broke! we constantly write grants and receive funding from various sources. guess what hardware we recommend the University to purchase? it's 99.9% Nvidia, and sometimes Mac Studio just to play with MLX.
- gdiamos 1y ago
  I mean broke compared to Meta or OpenAI. AI research used to be fringe and not well funded. Back in those days, 99.9% of hardware was Xeon.
  - ryao 1y ago
    It has gone through many boom and busy cycles. If you go far back enough, it was very well funded. In particular, I recall reading about the US government investing 1 to 2 billion dollars during the Cold War into AI research to translate Russian into English. It had some very impressive demos on preselected Russian texts that had justified the investments. However, it failed to yield results on arbitrary texts. The translation problem has only been mostly solved in recent years.

rfv6723 1y ago

These ppl are very loud online, but they don't make decisions for hyperscalers which are biggest spenders on AI chips. AMD is doing just fine, Oracle just announced an AI cluster with up to 131,072 of AMD's new MI355X GPUs. AMD needs to focus on bringing rack-scale mi400 as quickly as possible to market, rather than those hobbyists always find something to complain instead of spending money.

almostgotcaught 1y ago
> These ppl are very loud online, but they don't make decisions for hyperscalers which are biggest spenders on AI chips. this guy gets it - absolutely no one cares about the hobby market because it's absolutely not how software development is done (nor is it how software is paid for).
- pstuart 1y ago
  The hobby market should be considered as a pipeline to future customers. It doesn't mean AMD should drop everything and cater specifically to them, but they'd be foolish to ignore them altogether.
- justahuman74 1y ago
  The hobby market is how you get 'market default' N years later
  - almostgotcaught 1y ago
    citation please
    - orbital-decay 1y ago
      Nvidia's success.
      - almostgotcaught 1y ago
        You think the company that supplies every hyperscalers is market leader because of the hobbyist segment? Lol

naveen99 1y ago

There is no mass middle market… it’s volume or luxury… middle management is for taxes.