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I'm not seething, and I can assure you from the disgusting piles of city dust that accumulate in my apartment that the air is not cleaner in any way that matter

by timr 1y ago

I'm not seething, and I can assure you from the disgusting piles of city dust that accumulate in my apartment that the air is not cleaner in any way that matters to me.

ceejayoz 1y ago
The difference might matter to your asthmatic neighbor. It's early to assess, but: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/05/11/upshot/congestion-pricing.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/05/11/upshot/conges... > The New York City health department’s readings of PM2.5, one air quality measure, improved citywide the first three months of this year compared with the same period in 2024. The improvement was more pronounced within the congestion zone, but it’s too early to attribute that to the program, or to know if that’s a lasting pattern, experts said. "My apartment still gets dusty" seems like a pretty desperate anti-congestion charge argument.
- timr 1y ago
  I was not being serious, but as you've repeatedly said, there's no evidence for the argument you're making. A three-month change at the beginning of the year in PM2.5 is noise.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    I provided clear, reliably sourced evidence for it, while noting it's too early for that evidence to be conclusive yet. You've yet to provide any for your assertions. Just feels.
    - timr 1y ago
      Again, in case it's not clear: I was being whimsical. I'm obviously not resting my opposition to this on a one-off argument about dust in my apartment. I personally don't think the PM2.5 thing would justify the implementation of the system even if it were true, but that's not a debate I want to get into.
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        > Again, in case it's not clear: I was being whimsical. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%E2%80%99s%20douchebag https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%... The benefits of reducing PM2.5 pollution are... not in dispute. https://www.epa.gov/pm-pollution/health-and-environmental-effects-particulate-matter-pm https://www.epa.gov/pm-pollution/health-and-environmental-ef...
        timr 1y ago
        > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%E2%80%99s%20douchebag https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%... I've been nothing but polite to you.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        In the Southern belle “bless your heart” sense, perhaps. In the “good faith arguing” sense, no.
        timr 1y ago
        In the "I literally didn't insult you and call you names" sense.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        I’d rather be called names than have some argue in bad faith.
      - maybelsyrup 1y ago
        https://x.com/dril/status/549425182767861760 https://x.com/dril/status/549425182767861760

by timr 1y ago

I'm not seething, and I can assure you from the disgusting piles of city dust that accumulate in my apartment that the air is not cleaner in any way that matters to me.

ceejayoz 1y ago

The difference might matter to your asthmatic neighbor. It's early to assess, but: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/05/11/upshot/congestion-pricing.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/05/11/upshot/conges... > The New York City health department’s readings of PM2.5, one air quality measure, improved citywide the first three months of this year compared with the same period in 2024. The improvement was more pronounced within the congestion zone, but it’s too early to attribute that to the program, or to know if that’s a lasting pattern, experts said. "My apartment still gets dusty" seems like a pretty desperate anti-congestion charge argument.

timr 1y ago
I was not being serious, but as you've repeatedly said, there's no evidence for the argument you're making. A three-month change at the beginning of the year in PM2.5 is noise.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  I provided clear, reliably sourced evidence for it, while noting it's too early for that evidence to be conclusive yet. You've yet to provide any for your assertions. Just feels.
  - timr 1y ago
    Again, in case it's not clear: I was being whimsical. I'm obviously not resting my opposition to this on a one-off argument about dust in my apartment. I personally don't think the PM2.5 thing would justify the implementation of the system even if it were true, but that's not a debate I want to get into.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      > Again, in case it's not clear: I was being whimsical. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%E2%80%99s%20douchebag https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%... The benefits of reducing PM2.5 pollution are... not in dispute. https://www.epa.gov/pm-pollution/health-and-environmental-effects-particulate-matter-pm https://www.epa.gov/pm-pollution/health-and-environmental-ef...
      - timr 1y ago
        > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%E2%80%99s%20douchebag https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%... I've been nothing but polite to you.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        In the Southern belle “bless your heart” sense, perhaps. In the “good faith arguing” sense, no.
        timr 1y ago
        In the "I literally didn't insult you and call you names" sense.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        I’d rather be called names than have some argue in bad faith.
    - maybelsyrup 1y ago
      https://x.com/dril/status/549425182767861760 https://x.com/dril/status/549425182767861760