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almostgotcaught 1y ago
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- tomhow 1y ago
  > jesus christ you people are so thick: > just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not real. This style of commenting is not allowed on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. It's a clear breach of the guidelines that ask us to avoid swipes and name-calling. We've had to ask you several times to correct this kind of conduct here. If it keeps up, we'll have to ban the account.
  - almostgotcaught 1y ago
    Lol ban me I'll just make another account (and I know you guys think you have just the best fingerprinting tech but newsflash you do not :)
    - tomhow 1y ago
      Please quit this pointless war. Yes, anyone who is banned can create a new account. That's always been the case and we don't even try to prevent it. We just keep upholding the guidelines regardless. Consider that maybe it's not the big win you think it is, to be one of the few people making an effort to use a website in defiant opposition to its intended use, when it's only a place people want to frequent because others put their efforts into making it function well.
      - almostgotcaught 1y ago
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        tomhow 1y ago
        > you let comments that are blatant dog whistles stand and you respond to those that break rules of decorum Please include links here so we can all see whether your claims are on solid ground rather than an attempt to deflect from your own conduct.
        tomhow 1y ago
        Of those comments, one of them would be killed by now if you'd just used the site's functionality as intended and flagged it. Without expertise on the topic (and I am Australian, I don't have deep expertise on these topics, and it doesn't seem like other readers do either), the merit of those comments seem like a question of historical accuracy. If there's a way in which the content of these comments breach the guidelines (and no, the guidelines don't permit people to, say, support fascism or genocide as long as they're polite about it as it's been facetiously put in the past; anything that is unkind or abusive or oppressive to other people is against the guidelines here), you or anyone can explain that in a reply or an email to us. We understand that sometimes comments break the guidelines in ways that aren't obvious at face value (as you put it "dog whistles"), and in these cases people can, point this out in comments or emails to us. Positive contributors to HN do this all the time. Nobody has done that in this case, but you're welcome to do so, now or in any other similar situation. Edit: I was reflecting as I took a walk that this discussion is almost a mirror image of one I had about a week ago with a user who seems to be on the other side of the political spectrum. Like you, their belief was that HN's discourse and moderation is biased against their political persuasion, and that this entitles them to disregard the guidelines and engage in battle against what they perceive as malevolent actors on the site. We've seen this effect forever here: the more strongly someone is focused on a particular ideological issue, the more keenly they notice anything that breaches their sensibilities about that topic. Dang has written about it and cited examples of it many times over the years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... And in this subthread just three months ago, a banned user insisting that there's a “hard liberal-progressive tilt to comments and post flagging”: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43136198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43136198 The truth is we don't – and can't moderate in support of any particular ideological agenda. We just don't have time to pore through all the comments and manoeuvre things in a way that pushes things one way or another. All we can do is respond to the bad stuff we see, which we can only do if people use the site's feedback mechanisms to alert us to things that need our intervention.
ghushn3 1y ago
> America's latest attempt at making themselves feel better about their barbaric cultural history This isn't a new phenomena. Juneteenth has been celebrated for well over a hundred years now.
- assimpleaspossi 1y ago
  By people in a small community in Texas and nowhere else. No one elsewhere heard of this thing till now. Now everyone pretends it's a big deal but it was strictly a local event there. You never heard of it till Biden's group brought it up. I bet I'm older than you (the reader). I never heard of this till Biden brought it up. This holiday is beyond stupid when you consider that the guy who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln, doesn't have a Federal holiday where one gets the day off. EDIT: Now that I've had my time for my "shower thoughts": Why is there no national holiday for the American Indian? They were here first. Mistreated and kicked out of the areas they occuplied. A wonderful culture with a wonderful history but no mention anywhere on the calendar?
  - ghushn3 1y ago
    > I bet I'm older than you (the reader). I never heard of this till Biden brought it up. I'm in my mid-50s, maybe you are older than me. It's something I had heard about in the 2015-2020 timeframe. I'm white as fuck, but being online meant I saw tweet threads or short explainers about it for a few years. I didn't meet folks who celebrated it, but when I asked around to Black folks I knew they were like, "Yeah, it's a thing." So I suspect that the holiday gained momentum among Black Americans and spread out from Texas sometime prior to me hearing about it, perhaps with the rise of social media, and then us folks who are out of the loop started hearing about it later. (Either through our own social media intake or through the declaration of a federal holiday.) > This holiday is beyond stupid when you consider that the guy who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln, doesn't have a Federal holiday where one gets the day off. Don't see why we can't have both.
    - assimpleaspossi 1y ago
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Den_VR 1y ago
The American ethnocentrism is real and in FORCE when racism is involved. Not surprising for an American holiday relevant only to Americans.
FireSquid2006 1y ago
Genuinely curious--what's a country that doesn't have a barbarous cultural history?
- bobxmax 1y ago
  American & Western European chattel slavery (or perhaps more accurately, western christianity-driven chattel slavery) is uniquely barbaric historically. The wide-scale dehumanization on a racial basis has no precedent historically. Imperialist Christianity, of which the modern US continues to suffer from (even if it's a secular version), is uniquely brutal and violent.
tomhow 1y ago
I get that you're reasonably new here, but we need you to understand that this style of commenting on Hacker News is unacceptable. It's not what the site is for and it destroys what it is for. Please read and observe the guidelines, particularly these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- bobxmax 1y ago
  Sure, apologies.
  - tomhow 1y ago
    Many thanks!

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almostgotcaught 1y ago

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tomhow 1y ago
> jesus christ you people are so thick: > just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not real. This style of commenting is not allowed on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. It's a clear breach of the guidelines that ask us to avoid swipes and name-calling. We've had to ask you several times to correct this kind of conduct here. If it keeps up, we'll have to ban the account.
- almostgotcaught 1y ago
  Lol ban me I'll just make another account (and I know you guys think you have just the best fingerprinting tech but newsflash you do not :)
  - tomhow 1y ago
    Please quit this pointless war. Yes, anyone who is banned can create a new account. That's always been the case and we don't even try to prevent it. We just keep upholding the guidelines regardless. Consider that maybe it's not the big win you think it is, to be one of the few people making an effort to use a website in defiant opposition to its intended use, when it's only a place people want to frequent because others put their efforts into making it function well.
    - almostgotcaught 1y ago
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      - tomhow 1y ago
        > you let comments that are blatant dog whistles stand and you respond to those that break rules of decorum Please include links here so we can all see whether your claims are on solid ground rather than an attempt to deflect from your own conduct.
      - tomhow 1y ago
        Of those comments, one of them would be killed by now if you'd just used the site's functionality as intended and flagged it. Without expertise on the topic (and I am Australian, I don't have deep expertise on these topics, and it doesn't seem like other readers do either), the merit of those comments seem like a question of historical accuracy. If there's a way in which the content of these comments breach the guidelines (and no, the guidelines don't permit people to, say, support fascism or genocide as long as they're polite about it as it's been facetiously put in the past; anything that is unkind or abusive or oppressive to other people is against the guidelines here), you or anyone can explain that in a reply or an email to us. We understand that sometimes comments break the guidelines in ways that aren't obvious at face value (as you put it "dog whistles"), and in these cases people can, point this out in comments or emails to us. Positive contributors to HN do this all the time. Nobody has done that in this case, but you're welcome to do so, now or in any other similar situation. Edit: I was reflecting as I took a walk that this discussion is almost a mirror image of one I had about a week ago with a user who seems to be on the other side of the political spectrum. Like you, their belief was that HN's discourse and moderation is biased against their political persuasion, and that this entitles them to disregard the guidelines and engage in battle against what they perceive as malevolent actors on the site. We've seen this effect forever here: the more strongly someone is focused on a particular ideological issue, the more keenly they notice anything that breaches their sensibilities about that topic. Dang has written about it and cited examples of it many times over the years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... And in this subthread just three months ago, a banned user insisting that there's a “hard liberal-progressive tilt to comments and post flagging”: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43136198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43136198 The truth is we don't – and can't moderate in support of any particular ideological agenda. We just don't have time to pore through all the comments and manoeuvre things in a way that pushes things one way or another. All we can do is respond to the bad stuff we see, which we can only do if people use the site's feedback mechanisms to alert us to things that need our intervention.

ghushn3 1y ago

> America's latest attempt at making themselves feel better about their barbaric cultural history This isn't a new phenomena. Juneteenth has been celebrated for well over a hundred years now.

assimpleaspossi 1y ago
By people in a small community in Texas and nowhere else. No one elsewhere heard of this thing till now. Now everyone pretends it's a big deal but it was strictly a local event there. You never heard of it till Biden's group brought it up. I bet I'm older than you (the reader). I never heard of this till Biden brought it up. This holiday is beyond stupid when you consider that the guy who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln, doesn't have a Federal holiday where one gets the day off. EDIT: Now that I've had my time for my "shower thoughts": Why is there no national holiday for the American Indian? They were here first. Mistreated and kicked out of the areas they occuplied. A wonderful culture with a wonderful history but no mention anywhere on the calendar?
- ghushn3 1y ago
  > I bet I'm older than you (the reader). I never heard of this till Biden brought it up. I'm in my mid-50s, maybe you are older than me. It's something I had heard about in the 2015-2020 timeframe. I'm white as fuck, but being online meant I saw tweet threads or short explainers about it for a few years. I didn't meet folks who celebrated it, but when I asked around to Black folks I knew they were like, "Yeah, it's a thing." So I suspect that the holiday gained momentum among Black Americans and spread out from Texas sometime prior to me hearing about it, perhaps with the rise of social media, and then us folks who are out of the loop started hearing about it later. (Either through our own social media intake or through the declaration of a federal holiday.) > This holiday is beyond stupid when you consider that the guy who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln, doesn't have a Federal holiday where one gets the day off. Don't see why we can't have both.
  - assimpleaspossi 1y ago
    [flagged]

Den_VR 1y ago

The American ethnocentrism is real and in FORCE when racism is involved. Not surprising for an American holiday relevant only to Americans.

FireSquid2006 1y ago

Genuinely curious--what's a country that doesn't have a barbarous cultural history?

bobxmax 1y ago
American & Western European chattel slavery (or perhaps more accurately, western christianity-driven chattel slavery) is uniquely barbaric historically. The wide-scale dehumanization on a racial basis has no precedent historically. Imperialist Christianity, of which the modern US continues to suffer from (even if it's a secular version), is uniquely brutal and violent.

tomhow 1y ago

I get that you're reasonably new here, but we need you to understand that this style of commenting on Hacker News is unacceptable. It's not what the site is for and it destroys what it is for. Please read and observe the guidelines, particularly these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

bobxmax 1y ago
Sure, apologies.
- tomhow 1y ago
  Many thanks!