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I cannot possibly disagree with this more, "Juneteenth" is far superior. Part of it is that it absolutely invokes AAVE. It forces people to consider and be rem
by jrm4 1y ago
I cannot possibly disagree with this more, "Juneteenth" is far superior.
Part of it is that it absolutely invokes AAVE. It forces people to consider and be reminded of Black American culture; "Emancipation Day" whitewashes the history a little bit and gives a little too much credit to the so-called "emancipators." Let's keep this centered on Black folks, where it belongs.
Invoking questions is a feature, not a bug.
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- tomluyer 1y agoYes. And those who believe everything on the internet are not igonorant. If its there it must be true!
- ok_dad 1y agoDon’t use strawman arguments mixed with sarcasm, it doesn’t help anyone. Not everything on the internet is a lie or propaganda. Wikipedia is reliable enough to lookup what Juneteenth is, if you were really curious and not just complaining about the name.
- tomluyer 1y agoTheres no straw man arugement here. The fact is everything is on the internet. Telling someone their ignorant because its on the internet is a half truth. Its like saying I graduated from Harvard and therefore I had the best education money could buy and theres no way i'm ignorant. The straw was the ignorant comment and not providing what it is why it should be celebrated by Americans.
- ok_dad 1y agoNah it’s really easy to understand Juneteenth if you just google it. Let’s not argue on the fringes of the subject and claim it applies here. Ignorant people always have excuses for why it’s too hard to become educated on a simple subject.
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- tomhow 1y ago> jesus christ you people are so thick: > just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not real. This style of commenting is not allowed on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. It's a clear breach of the guidelines that ask us to avoid swipes and name-calling. We've had to ask you several times to correct this kind of conduct here. If it keeps up, we'll have to ban the account.
- almostgotcaught 1y agoLol ban me I'll just make another account (and I know you guys think you have just the best fingerprinting tech but newsflash you do not :)
- tomhow 1y agoPlease quit this pointless war. Yes, anyone who is banned can create a new account. That's always been the case and we don't even try to prevent it. We just keep upholding the guidelines regardless. Consider that maybe it's not the big win you think it is, to be one of the few people making an effort to use a website in defiant opposition to its intended use, when it's only a place people want to frequent because others put their efforts into making it function well.
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- logifail 1y ago> Part of it is that it absolutely invokes AAVE. It forces people to consider and be reminded of Black American culture If you don't already know what "Juneteenth" means, the word itself gives you nothing to help you understand. Literally zilch. It involkes nothing. "Emancipation Day" does give the outsider a clue. Names matter.
- pessimizer 1y agoDo Thanksgiving. Also, if Serbia has some holidays that I can't recognize when I read them from a calendar, should Serbia change the names of them for me? Or is it only the words that black Americans use that aren't real when random people don't recognize them?
- jrm4 1y agoAgain. GOOD GOOD GOOD. What you have just told me is a FEATURE. Not a BUG. I'm very GOOD with people "not immediately knowing." I like that. It forces them to learn about my people and culture. "Juneteenth" makes you step in and perhaps get a little uncomfortable, like, hmm weird little Black-sounding phrase? "Emancipation Day" frees (lol) you from engaging, you can just sort of take on the same ol same ol story, which, I imagine for many people starts with Abraham Lincoln and not Black people.
- jwarden 1y agoI didn't realize "Juneteenth" was considered "Black-sounding" by some people. Juneteenth is a pretty culturally mainstream term (being a national holiday). And forming new words using contractions doesn't seem like a typically Black-person thing to do. I associate the term with Black people, not because of how it sounds, but because I know what it means and know about it's origin among formerly-enslaved Black communities.
- blackqueeriroh 1y agoYou understand how recently it was made a national holiday?
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- KittenInABox 1y agoThe western, Christian values explicitly had slavery in them. The slave owners were Christian. I don't really see how religion has to do with the abolishment of race-based slavery, sadly.
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- stirfish 1y agoI've been told that I wear the mark of Cain, so https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_slavery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_slavery
- trealira 1y agoSlave owners would cite Ephesians 6:5-6. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
- _elf 1y agoI'm unaware of a large non-Christian population living in the Confederate States of America.
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- jrm4 1y agoI legitimately can't tell if this is satire. Anyway, as a Black Christian, I always tell people on both sides -- know what religion is most responsible for slavery in the US? Christianity. And also, know what religion is most responsible for freedom for Black folks in the Us? Also Christianity. It's just complicated. Not "western" of course, but the traditions/organization of Black churches.
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- Drugein 1y agoDo you want people to associate AAVE with the term? I'm not quite finding the right term but it seems "unprofessional", in a sense. It would be like advocating for Christmas Day to be formally recognised as "Chrisso" or "Chrissie" here in Australia. Yeah we all informally call it that, but it would be embarrassing to codify it.
- jrm4 1y agoI do, and this is a far bigger discussion than I can get into here -- but it's about respecting/understanding Black American cultural contributions .. .. which is hard because when you start making accounts of them you begin to realize how universal and yet unrecognized so many of our contributions are.
- Drugein 1y agoIt doesn't help that, in the fervour to amplify black contributions, there is a lot of embellishment, appropriation, and even outright lies, often at the expense of White pioneers. I know we won't agree on this point, yourself clearly being a proud black man and myself a proud White man, but that is the sense that I have around this topic now. If I'm being frank, I find that I am conditioned at this point to treat these claims with a great amount of suspicion, as they often appear to be motivated more so by racial interests than historical accuracy.
- blackqueeriroh 1y agoCan you please, in order to add effectively to the conversation, provide some links to the contributions of Black people that have been embellished, appropriated, and fabricated at the expense of white pioneers, please? At least five, thank you.
- jrm4 1y agoOh. Yeah, sorry man, you're rightly getting downvoted to hell here because you're absolutely wrong; it's the reverse that's more often true.
- narratives1 1y agoThis attitude is my problem with this day. If this is a day celebrating the nation and how we overcame the evil of slavery to create something better, emancipating millions of fellow Americans, I’m for it. If this is a federal holiday to “center blackness” and “put our attention on black folk”, then that’s state sanctioned racial factionalism and perpetuates an arrogant race centrism that’s already all too prevalent among some segments of black Americans. That I will not celebrate. We should be creating a society that celebrates Americans, regardless of their skin color. Emancipation day is a great thing, over half a million Americans (many white) died to correct an evil that denied freedom to millions of our fellow Americans - it’s a tragedy so many had to die, but their sacrifice made a better country for all of us.
- blackqueeriroh 1y agoYeah, the problem is that we don’t have a society like that and the only way white people know how to do that is to erase the contributions of Black people AFTER they’ve stolen everything from us and literally treated us as property. So excuse me if we think it’s okay to center Blackness for a month and a day when white folks (which is what you are even if you aren’t) are centered the rest of the year.