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yep, the biggest threat posed by AI comes from the capitalists who want to own it.

by philipov 1y ago

parpfish 1y ago
Or the propagandists that use it
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  They won't be allowed to use it unless they serve the capitalists who own it. It's not social media. It's a model the capitalists train and own. Best the rest of us will have access to are open source ones. It's like the difference between trying to go into court backed by google searches as opposed to Lexis/Nexis. You're gonna have a bad day with the judge. Here's hoping the open source stuff gets trained on quality data rather than reddit and 4chan. Given how the courts are leaning on copyright, and lack of vetted data outside copyright holder remit, I'm not sanguine about the chances of parity long term.
  - int_19h 1y ago
    Looking at Grok especially, it doesn't feel like a given that you can have a true SOTA model that is properly brainwashed.
    - thrance 1y ago
      To be fair, Musk is probably the least subtle megabillionaire of them all, and that reflects in the odd behavior of his silicon child. I don't doubt in the competency of the likes of Thiel to build their techo-monarchy.
      - int_19h 1y ago
        The problem for them is that it might be a rather fundamental limitation. We already know that RLHF makes models dumber. It is entirely possible that, in order to make the model buy fully into what those people are peddling, the amount of forceful training required would crater the model's overall performance.
- thrance 1y ago
  The propagandists serve the capitalists, so it's all the same.
impossiblefork 1y ago
I actually think the people developing AI might well not get rich off it. Instead, unless there's a single winner, we will probably see the knowledge on how to train big LLMs and make them perform well diffuse throughout a large pool of AI researchers, with the hardware to train models reasonably close to the SotA becoming more quite accessible. I think the people who will benefit will be the owners of ordinary but hard-to-dislodge software firms, maybe those that have a hardware component. Maybe firms like Apple, maybe car manufacturers. Pure software firms might end up having AI assisted programmers as competitors instead, pushing margins down. This is of course pretty speculative, and it's not reality yet, since firms like Cursor etc. have high valuations, but I think this is what you'd get from the probably pressure if it keeps getting better.
- cogman10 1y ago
  It smacks of a goldrush. The winners will be the people selling shovels (nVidia) and housing (AWS). It may also be the guides showing people the mountains (Cursor, OpenAI, etc). I suspect you'll see a few people "win" or strike it rich with AI, the vast majority will simply be left with a big bill.
- nradov 1y ago
  When railroads were first being built across the continental USA, those companies also had high valuations (for the time). Most of them ultimately went bankrupt or were purchased for a fraction of their peak valuation. But the tracks remained, and many of those routes are still in use today.
  - bilbo0s 1y ago
    Just checked. The problem is the railroads were purchased by the winners. Who turned out to be the existing winners. Who then went on to continue to win. On the one hand, I guess that's just life here in reality. On the other, man, reality sucks sometimes.
    - baq 1y ago
      That’s capitalism for you - loser’s margins were winner’s opportunities. Imagine if they were bought by losers.
conception 1y ago
Nah, it’s from state actors using the technology to control and wage war by far.

yep, the biggest threat posed by AI comes from the capitalists who want to own it.

parpfish 1y ago

Or the propagandists that use it

bilbo0s 1y ago
They won't be allowed to use it unless they serve the capitalists who own it. It's not social media. It's a model the capitalists train and own. Best the rest of us will have access to are open source ones. It's like the difference between trying to go into court backed by google searches as opposed to Lexis/Nexis. You're gonna have a bad day with the judge. Here's hoping the open source stuff gets trained on quality data rather than reddit and 4chan. Given how the courts are leaning on copyright, and lack of vetted data outside copyright holder remit, I'm not sanguine about the chances of parity long term.
- int_19h 1y ago
  Looking at Grok especially, it doesn't feel like a given that you can have a true SOTA model that is properly brainwashed.
  - thrance 1y ago
    To be fair, Musk is probably the least subtle megabillionaire of them all, and that reflects in the odd behavior of his silicon child. I don't doubt in the competency of the likes of Thiel to build their techo-monarchy.
    - int_19h 1y ago
      The problem for them is that it might be a rather fundamental limitation. We already know that RLHF makes models dumber. It is entirely possible that, in order to make the model buy fully into what those people are peddling, the amount of forceful training required would crater the model's overall performance.
thrance 1y ago
The propagandists serve the capitalists, so it's all the same.

impossiblefork 1y ago

I actually think the people developing AI might well not get rich off it. Instead, unless there's a single winner, we will probably see the knowledge on how to train big LLMs and make them perform well diffuse throughout a large pool of AI researchers, with the hardware to train models reasonably close to the SotA becoming more quite accessible. I think the people who will benefit will be the owners of ordinary but hard-to-dislodge software firms, maybe those that have a hardware component. Maybe firms like Apple, maybe car manufacturers. Pure software firms might end up having AI assisted programmers as competitors instead, pushing margins down. This is of course pretty speculative, and it's not reality yet, since firms like Cursor etc. have high valuations, but I think this is what you'd get from the probably pressure if it keeps getting better.

cogman10 1y ago
It smacks of a goldrush. The winners will be the people selling shovels (nVidia) and housing (AWS). It may also be the guides showing people the mountains (Cursor, OpenAI, etc). I suspect you'll see a few people "win" or strike it rich with AI, the vast majority will simply be left with a big bill.
nradov 1y ago
When railroads were first being built across the continental USA, those companies also had high valuations (for the time). Most of them ultimately went bankrupt or were purchased for a fraction of their peak valuation. But the tracks remained, and many of those routes are still in use today.
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  Just checked. The problem is the railroads were purchased by the winners. Who turned out to be the existing winners. Who then went on to continue to win. On the one hand, I guess that's just life here in reality. On the other, man, reality sucks sometimes.
  - baq 1y ago
    That’s capitalism for you - loser’s margins were winner’s opportunities. Imagine if they were bought by losers.

conception 1y ago

Nah, it’s from state actors using the technology to control and wage war by far.