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Totally disagree.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Totally disagree Hence debatable. Let me escalate: I think such a bill would find bipartisan support. Right now might be a good time to attempt it. I hate the idea of revoking citizenship. But a question about swearing, on naturalisation, that your supreme allegiance is to America should be incredibly popular to secure.
- adastra22 1y ago
  You are conflating naturalization with born citizens.
- birn559 1y ago
  That would have the consequence that naturalized citizen would be second class. Because they have to watch out for what to say, otherwise somebody might denounce them and they have to fight against their live being destroyed.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > would have the consequence that naturalized citizen would be second class I know more born citizens with a second nationality than naturalised ones who gave up their first.
    - exe34 1y ago
      Could you say a few words on why you think the words you have written justify the words you have quoted?
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        The class of American citizens with two nationalities is populated more with the native born than naturalised citizens. If the class became second class, the latter would be—I suspect—underrepresented in it.
    - birn559 1y ago
      The same argument still applies.
- WastedCucumber 1y ago
  Hate to break it to you, but you'd have to find support from the IRS / Ways and Means Committee first. For these institutions, the primary characteristic of US Citizenship is filing your taxes, no matter where to live or if you've ever even lived in the country. This puts the USA in the same odd category as Eritrea, Hungary, and I believe one other country. And despite the difficulty of revoking US citizenship, the rate of revocations has increased over the last decade or two. If there was such a simple way to toss out that old rag, I'm sure there would be many more (and a little less tax revenue). So I'm afraid* the USA is much more transactional than you think, at least regarding citizenship. *I must admit this is sarcasm. Thank god the US is transactional rather than so stubbornly patriotic about citizenship.
- simondotau 1y ago
  Revoking citizenship for any reason (other than for abject fraud) means that citizenship means nothing. Also, to be pedantic, you don’t have to have citizenship of a foreign country in order to have a greater allegiance to it.
  - account42 1y ago
    Letting some people have dual citizenship while others only have one is already making a mockery of the concept.
  - lipowitz 1y ago
    > Also, to be pedantic, you don’t have to have citizenship of a foreign country in order to have a greater allegiance to it. The behavior of the christian conservative cult is a bit more than a pedantic detail at this point. Why is trying to get Israel into a conflict to get Jesus to come and accelerate the end of all jews on Earth not antisemitism? I don't see wanting to use the Jew for cockfighting making it to the State Department's summary of antisemitism.
- victorbjorklund 1y ago
  You know Trumps own wife and son are dual citizens right? Is he going to strip them of their citizenship and deport them?
- tdeck 1y ago
  I think it would take more than an act of Congress. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk

Totally disagree.

> Totally disagree Hence debatable. Let me escalate: I think such a bill would find bipartisan support. Right now might be a good time to attempt it. I hate the idea of revoking citizenship. But a question about swearing, on naturalisation, that your supreme allegiance is to America should be incredibly popular to secure.

adastra22 1y ago
You are conflating naturalization with born citizens.
birn559 1y ago
That would have the consequence that naturalized citizen would be second class. Because they have to watch out for what to say, otherwise somebody might denounce them and they have to fight against their live being destroyed.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > would have the consequence that naturalized citizen would be second class I know more born citizens with a second nationality than naturalised ones who gave up their first.
  - exe34 1y ago
    Could you say a few words on why you think the words you have written justify the words you have quoted?
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      The class of American citizens with two nationalities is populated more with the native born than naturalised citizens. If the class became second class, the latter would be—I suspect—underrepresented in it.
  - birn559 1y ago
    The same argument still applies.
WastedCucumber 1y ago
Hate to break it to you, but you'd have to find support from the IRS / Ways and Means Committee first. For these institutions, the primary characteristic of US Citizenship is filing your taxes, no matter where to live or if you've ever even lived in the country. This puts the USA in the same odd category as Eritrea, Hungary, and I believe one other country. And despite the difficulty of revoking US citizenship, the rate of revocations has increased over the last decade or two. If there was such a simple way to toss out that old rag, I'm sure there would be many more (and a little less tax revenue). So I'm afraid* the USA is much more transactional than you think, at least regarding citizenship. *I must admit this is sarcasm. Thank god the US is transactional rather than so stubbornly patriotic about citizenship.
simondotau 1y ago
Revoking citizenship for any reason (other than for abject fraud) means that citizenship means nothing. Also, to be pedantic, you don’t have to have citizenship of a foreign country in order to have a greater allegiance to it.
- account42 1y ago
  Letting some people have dual citizenship while others only have one is already making a mockery of the concept.
- lipowitz 1y ago
  > Also, to be pedantic, you don’t have to have citizenship of a foreign country in order to have a greater allegiance to it. The behavior of the christian conservative cult is a bit more than a pedantic detail at this point. Why is trying to get Israel into a conflict to get Jesus to come and accelerate the end of all jews on Earth not antisemitism? I don't see wanting to use the Jew for cockfighting making it to the State Department's summary of antisemitism.
victorbjorklund 1y ago
You know Trumps own wife and son are dual citizens right? Is he going to strip them of their citizenship and deport them?
tdeck 1y ago
I think it would take more than an act of Congress. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk