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Ram Dass said that back in the 1960's when they were doing study of LSD they would try to randomize/double blind these tests but it was very funny to see. There

Ram Dass said that back in the 1960's when they were doing study of LSD they would try to randomize/double blind these tests but it was very funny to see. There were one where they had clergy involved and it basically went, one person would be like "I think it is doing something" and another would be wandering around going "I SEE GOD! I SEE GOD!". It was obvious who had what.

fuzzfactor 1y ago
That's about the time Catholics stopped having their Mass in Latin . . .
harry8 1y ago
Cartoon about that which made me laugh. https://www.altaonline.com/culture/cartoons/a42179654/weekly-cartoon-altatude-11-issue-22-paul-noth/ https://www.altaonline.com/culture/cartoons/a42179654/weekly... so hard to track these things down with google nowadays. Treats every word you add as an "or" like yahoo used to when google took their search market. The move from search engine to suggestion engine has been a disaster from my point of view. Hard to see how it would be more profitable. edit: better link
- SlowTao 1y ago
  The cartoon is a 10 out of 10!
- sznio 1y ago
  >Hard to see how it would be more profitable Queries use less compute time to complete, saving money. Why provide quality if there's no competitor for users to escape to?
  - 1oooqooq 1y ago
    it's even worse. revenue per query is up if they can search more keywords for advertisements to display. their lists aren't as comprehensive as before.
hellotheretoday 1y ago
This was part of this difficulty in clinical trials for mdma iirc. Both researchers and participants were fairly reliably able to discern placebo, among some other issues
echelon_musk 1y ago
> “I took five people and we locked ourselves in a building for three weeks and we took 400 micrograms of LSD every four hours. That is 2400 micrograms of LSD a day.… We finally were just drinking out of the bottle.… We were very high. What happened in those three weeks in that house, no one would ever believe, including us. And at the end of the three weeks, we walked out of the house and within a few days, we came down! It was a very frustrating experience, as if you came into the kingdom of heaven and you saw how it all was…and then you got cast out again.” Ram Dass and his retelling of this experience contributed to my shift from psychedelics to established spiritual traditions. They had the territory mapped out thousands of years ago. Ram Dass ultimately settled as a Hindu where as I find myself drawn to Buddhism. Anatta maps nicely to experiences of ego death and I find that I can see all drugs as part of the conditioned world. If you rely on a physical substance of the conditioned world for access to the divine then you're not free yet.
- kgwxd 1y ago
  If the goal is death, what's the point of living? shouldn't we be doing something completely different here than trying to find a way back? if we're going to end up back there no matter what, it seems a waste of life to spend it on that.
  - echelon_musk 1y ago
    > the goal is death ?
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
      I presume they are referring to “ego death”.
    - kgwxd 1y ago
      What's the difference between ego death and physical death? Doesn't physical death include ego death? If so, why bother trying to kill it before then. Is it something we must kill before physical death? If so, why? If we don't kill it before physical death, then what? If we already have "connected to everything" at home, shouldn't we take advantage of the situation while we're out? Because home sounds kind of boring.
Liquix 1y ago
he also reported giving a guru heroic doses of LSD (1200+ μg) on two occasions and observing practically no effect. presumably because the state produced by the drug is a fleeting taste of the state the guru had achieved through more traditional means. https://www.ramdass.org/ram-dass-gives-maharaji-the-yogi-medicine/ https://www.ramdass.org/ram-dass-gives-maharaji-the-yogi-med...

fuzzfactor 1y ago

That's about the time Catholics stopped having their Mass in Latin . . .

harry8 1y ago

Cartoon about that which made me laugh. https://www.altaonline.com/culture/cartoons/a42179654/weekly-cartoon-altatude-11-issue-22-paul-noth/ https://www.altaonline.com/culture/cartoons/a42179654/weekly... so hard to track these things down with google nowadays. Treats every word you add as an "or" like yahoo used to when google took their search market. The move from search engine to suggestion engine has been a disaster from my point of view. Hard to see how it would be more profitable. edit: better link

SlowTao 1y ago
The cartoon is a 10 out of 10!
sznio 1y ago
>Hard to see how it would be more profitable Queries use less compute time to complete, saving money. Why provide quality if there's no competitor for users to escape to?
- 1oooqooq 1y ago
  it's even worse. revenue per query is up if they can search more keywords for advertisements to display. their lists aren't as comprehensive as before.

hellotheretoday 1y ago

This was part of this difficulty in clinical trials for mdma iirc. Both researchers and participants were fairly reliably able to discern placebo, among some other issues

echelon_musk 1y ago

> “I took five people and we locked ourselves in a building for three weeks and we took 400 micrograms of LSD every four hours. That is 2400 micrograms of LSD a day.… We finally were just drinking out of the bottle.… We were very high. What happened in those three weeks in that house, no one would ever believe, including us. And at the end of the three weeks, we walked out of the house and within a few days, we came down! It was a very frustrating experience, as if you came into the kingdom of heaven and you saw how it all was…and then you got cast out again.” Ram Dass and his retelling of this experience contributed to my shift from psychedelics to established spiritual traditions. They had the territory mapped out thousands of years ago. Ram Dass ultimately settled as a Hindu where as I find myself drawn to Buddhism. Anatta maps nicely to experiences of ego death and I find that I can see all drugs as part of the conditioned world. If you rely on a physical substance of the conditioned world for access to the divine then you're not free yet.

kgwxd 1y ago
If the goal is death, what's the point of living? shouldn't we be doing something completely different here than trying to find a way back? if we're going to end up back there no matter what, it seems a waste of life to spend it on that.
- echelon_musk 1y ago
  > the goal is death ?
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
    I presume they are referring to “ego death”.
  - kgwxd 1y ago
    What's the difference between ego death and physical death? Doesn't physical death include ego death? If so, why bother trying to kill it before then. Is it something we must kill before physical death? If so, why? If we don't kill it before physical death, then what? If we already have "connected to everything" at home, shouldn't we take advantage of the situation while we're out? Because home sounds kind of boring.

Liquix 1y ago

he also reported giving a guru heroic doses of LSD (1200+ μg) on two occasions and observing practically no effect. presumably because the state produced by the drug is a fleeting taste of the state the guru had achieved through more traditional means. https://www.ramdass.org/ram-dass-gives-maharaji-the-yogi-medicine/ https://www.ramdass.org/ram-dass-gives-maharaji-the-yogi-med...