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Palantir's role or non-role aside, the idea that we're even looking into whether people wrote about a student protest is absurd. The "combating antisemitism" co
by sorcerer-mar 1y ago
Palantir's role or non-role aside, the idea that we're even looking into whether people wrote about a student protest is absurd. The "combating antisemitism" cover story for all of this is incredibly cynical.
- idontwantthis 1y agoAll it takes is a quick observation that the literal swastika swinging Nazis are all on Trump’s side to see the truth.
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- jakelazaroff 1y agoUnder a normal administration that actually would be unexpected, yes.
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- jakelazaroff 1y agoThe "normal administration" to which I'm referring would be almost any administration in US history other than the current one. Freedom of speech is — at least putatively — a bedrock principle of the US. In fact, the same Secretary of State who deported this man from the US for his speech (amongst dozens of other such deportations[1]) has announced a policy meant to prevent other countries from doing the exact same thing.[2] "Free speech for me, but not for thee." [1]: https://truthout.org/articles/rubio-brags-hes-championing-free-speech-as-he-hand-picks-protesters-to-deport/ https://truthout.org/articles/rubio-brags-hes-championing-fr... [2]: https://www.state.gov/announcement-of-a-visa-restriction-policy-targeting-foreign-nationals-who-censor-americans/ https://www.state.gov/announcement-of-a-visa-restriction-pol...
- cmurf 1y agoFascists consider applying double standards that enable them to enjoy what they deny others, virtuous. Not a logical fallacy. The purpose is to dominate.
- kreetx 1y agoAFAIK, the speech is still free. The denied person seems to be a foreign national and by all looks of it, an activist, taking part in university protests. It doesn't seem all that surprising that he got denied entry.
- jakelazaroff 1y agoMan, if we can't agree that "freedom of speech" includes protection from legal consequences for something you say then there's really nowhere to go from here.
- kreetx 1y agoWell, he appears to have been a protester at Columbia University in 2024, and he is also not a citizen. If you yourself are a citizen, I'm sure you can express your views and not be sent anywhere. You can also vote to get people in power who are more to your liking, or even attempt be one of those people yourself.
- jakelazaroff 1y agoNone of this is relevant to what you're trying to argue ("AFAIK, the speech is still free").
- kreetx 1y agoHe can still express his opinion and he can still protest. In your opinion, should anyone be able to travel to the US to protest? Would you set an upper limit to this process, or should any amount be allowed?
- jmye 1y ago> and am just observing it from quite a distance You have remarkably strident opinions about a country, and its laws and norms, that you claim to be unfamiliar with and not a part of.
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- sorcerer-mar 1y agoDo you think journalists don't have sides and don't have effects on politics? Riddle me this: why do you think journalism is protected in this country if it is definitionally politically inert?
- aspenmayer 1y agoThe founders were proto-shitposters who ran a psyop on the public with the same technology used to print the daily paper. They knew what they were doing. I agree with you, by the way. To a certain reading, this guy is creating a valuable resource in the attention economy: controversy. Give them a medal and a journalism grant.
- kreetx 1y agoThis person is from another country and is rather an activist than a journalist, and he also can continue to express his views to this day. Does it not make sense to you that a country (i.e, its citizens) don't actually want foreign activists to come and steer its politics? Sounds like a recipe for country take-over if done at scale.
- sorcerer-mar 1y agoMy recommendation is that when you're inquiring about another country's laws or norms, you actually open your ears to what they're telling you instead of just repeatedly asserting your own (as you admit) completely ignorant perspective.
- kreetx 1y agoAnyone foreigner around the world has the right to assemble in the US? I don't think these are the laws that the US has.
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- MangoToupe 1y agoDoes anyone anywhere qualify in this if your understanding? What does it mean to live here and not have an effect on on US politics? Can we use this same rationale to deny folks with dual citizenship office if they seek it?
- brookst 1y agoIt’s terrifying that anyone would not only accept forbidding travel to critics, but also thinks it’s normal. From de Toqueville and Dickens to de Beauvoir to Žižek, the US used to welcome and embrace criticism. Have we really become as thin-skinned as North Korea?
- gosub100 1y agoYou're free to have an opinion but not from the consequences of that opinion. Sound familiar?
- sorcerer-mar 1y agoNice! Such a great gotcha if you've never read the Constitution or spent 30 seconds thinking about how freedom of speech works. You're free to have an opinion and be free from state-sanctioned consequences. You are not guaranteed to be free from private parties choosing not to affiliate with you, calling you mean names, or banning you from their platforms... for the obvious reason that protecting that right would require that the state compel specific speech from private parties, which... See Step 1! All of this should have been covered by about 8th grade. Were you paying attention?
- brookst 1y agoI hope you’re just trolling and not genuinely that oblivious. Terrifying either way, I suppose. The US has failed, and the people who killed it read like 4chan.
- gosub100 1y agoI'm using the same arguments as my opponent. There is no unity in this country and the "progressive" party caused it.
- brookst 1y agoNixon’s southern strategy was progressive? And you really don’t see how complaining about lack is unity and blaming those people for it is completely risible?
- 4ndrewl 1y agoI can't imagine how insecure and fragile a country must be to be afraid of checks notes opinions on substack.
- kreetx 1y agoHe also partook in protests in Columbia University last year, so in that sense he's a little more than person writing on the internet.
- whatshisface 1y agoFreedom of assembly.
- kreetx 1y agoSure, but with societal unrest don't you think there is a limit on how many foreigners you want in the country to be tilting the scales?
- djur 1y agoNo. Freedom of expression is a human right, not a privilege of citizenship.
- kreetx 1y agoAnd he can continue to express himself, or can't he?
- sorcerer-mar 1y agoSure, just like an American snatched off the street and sent to prison can still express himself in prison.
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- tootie 1y agoFreedom of speech is not a right bestowed on citizens but an encumbrance on the government. They cannot set policy based on protected speech. Nor is there any definition of journalist that precludes having a point of view.
- kreetx 1y agoThis person continues to be able to speak freely. He also took part in the protests of Columbia University and by the looks of it wants to continue his political agenda in a foreign country. If this happened at scale then then foreigners could come (perhaps even be imported to the US, if this were a known-to-be-usable loophole) and steer the politics of a country in some other direction. It looks like the government is trying to avoid that and, if I were a citizen, it's what I would expect it to do.
- tootie 1y agoThat's a really bizarre take. You think it's acceptable to deny entry to someone based on your assessment of their political opinions? Given the very directly related context that Columbia students with visas and greencards are being detained and facing deportation explicitly for their political opinions, you can't conclude this is anything other anti-speech policy. There is absolutely no threat to life or property stemming from their speech. Meanwhile, expressly pro-genocide political figures with documented history of violent crimes like Ben-Gvir are freely admitted and allowed to rile up mobs.
- kreetx 1y agoI don't know the specific reason for denial for this particular person. I just generically don't understand why why would you want students like this in the country. The citizens, sure, vote, assemble, etc. to express your view.
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago> I just generically don't understand why why would you want students like this in the country. You don't need to understand. Your understanding is irrelevant. That's why we put it in the Constitution!
- thenthenthen 1y agoThey were looking in my spam folder and giving me a hard time for what they ‘found’ there, absolutely bonkers
- hungmung 1y agoWas this in customs? Are you an American? Just curious.
- WarOnPrivacy 1y agoBased on a previous post of his, I believe he was traveling here from China. While that may help explain the unproductive, unconstitutional behavior he experienced (now normalized at our borders), it does not excuse it.
- thenthenthen 1y agoI am European, traveling from Europe to New York. They picked me from the line. Then the guy got bitten by his own dog. [edit] I just realise this was 10 years ago, time flies :O
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- maeil 1y agoCynical? No my friend, it's what authoritarian dictatorships such as Russia and the US have been doing for years, it's their default! [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Allegations_of_Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_...
- gosub100 1y agoIt shows how quickly the far left abandons its charity cases once it finds greener pastures. Remember all the "end ___ hate" campaigns? Not when there's a new group to manipulate for votes.
- sorcerer-mar 1y agoI've responded now to several of your comments, but this is a common enough sign of miseducation among the terminally online that I'll respond again here: The far left is within their First Amendment rights to create "all the 'end ___ hate' campaigns" they want. The far right is within their First Amendment rights to create all the "hate _____" campaigns they want. Bystanders, commercial entities, private schools, your friends and family are allowed to be friendly with you or disown you per their own preference for which side you take. They're even allowed to call you mean names like "ignorant fascist incel" if they want. And you're allowed to call them mean names too! The government is not allowed to utilize state power to suppress either side of the hate or not-hate debate. It is not allowed to utilize state power to compel the "end hate" crowd to be nice to, give jobs to, maintain platforms for, or educate the "hate" crowd, nor vice versa.
- gosub100 1y ago> this is a common enough sign of miseducation among the terminally online "anyone who disagrees with you is obviously ill"
- sorcerer-mar 1y agoNo, I said that you have a very elementary misunderstanding that's common among a specific group of people. It's like saying, "the inability to add 1 + 1 is common among people who never attended an arithmetic class."