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$3 isn't this kind of a small problem? I miss rideshare service, in Denmark we have mess of expensive high quality taxis that you cannot get hold of when you n

by jopsen 1y ago

$3 isn't this kind of a small problem? I miss rideshare service, in Denmark we have mess of expensive high quality taxis that you cannot get hold of when you need one.

harmmonica 1y ago
I'm not sure I'm reading you correctly, but if you mean it's a small problem because $3 isn't much money then, heck yes, it's a microscopic problem (is there something smaller than microscopic because if so then it's whatever that thing is)! But I didn't bring it up to complain about the $3 per se. I can elaborate, but I'm not sure if that's what you were specifically referring to or if I'm misunderstanding your question.
georgemcbay 1y ago
> $3 isn't this kind of a small problem? Its the principle, not the size of the cost. If a company with good customer service accidentally overcharged me $200 but I could call someone and have it fixed easily that would set me off far less than a company that screwed me out of $1 who has shit-tier dark pattern customer service.
khazhoux 1y ago
> $3 isn't this kind of a small problem? You're right -- it's surprising Lyft wouldn't just give back $3 (such a small amount!) to keep a customer.
- applecrazy 1y ago
  this is so rampant but they know they have a captive market (in many places, only uber or lyft are an option) so they abuse their position
  - internetter 1y ago
    I've had good experiences with Uber. I know others don't, but I have. I used to use Lyft but they treated me like shit so now I don't. If Uber starts treating me like shit I'm going back to taxis. If taxis treat me like shit I'll take the bus, walk, buy a car, or any of the dozens of other ways to get around, even if impractical. The market is only captive because people are lazy and weak willed.
jeremyjh 1y ago
A tiny problem, that would cost them nothing to fix, and they chose not to. This is a story about shitty customer service, not $3 being lost.
- ndr 1y ago
  You can dispute via your credit card. They'll care quickly enough.
  - semiquaver 1y ago
    Lyft will ban your account if you issue a chargeback. You’ll get your money back but if you want to continue to use the service this is not a good option.
    - Retric 1y ago
      Do it anyway. You get your money back, it costs them more money, and the more they ban people over stuff like this the faster you run shitty companies out of business. To do anything else promotes them doing the same thing to you in the future and other people.
      - bapak 1y ago
        And soon enough you don't have any apps to use. Sometimes you gotta pick your fights. Chargebacks to gatekeepers are the worst because life is long and you will always lose.
        chii 1y ago
        it's why you take them to small claims court. Unfortunately, the terms and conditions have made sure they are clear of small claims by forcing you to do arbitration, which is more expensive for you than them (in relative terms, unless they also put into the T&C to pay for your arbitration costs - which some companies have done iirc, such as epic games). Chargebacks are the last resort - only really worth doing if it is a large amount that you will miss if not charged back.
sanswork 1y ago
$3 is small enough that almost everyone will just eat the cost. I have a theory that they do this intentionally in some things(well Uber I've never used lift). Almost every time I order food and something is wrong or missing they'll give me a refund that is $2-3 off what it should be. Like if I order a $5 item and it's missing their service will refund me $2. At that point I can chose to spend literally an hour going through different support flows to try to reach a human who will correct it and give me the extra $2 or I can eat the loss. It's happened to me at least a dozen times now so I imagine it's common enough across the whole world to add millions of revenue each year.
- ApolloFortyNine 1y ago
  Doordash did to me for 70cents or so once. There was a missing item in an order, no big deal, app let's you report it, and the exact item that was missing. But instead of refunding the $2 it cost, they refunded like $1.19 or something to that affect.
  - wileydragonfly 1y ago
    DoorDash.. either the drivers can selectively identify the most expensive entree and remove it without disturbing anything… or restaurant owners figured out they could just leave it out without any real penalty. Happened so many times I got tired of arguing and chargebacks and moved on. No issues with other services.. someone figured out a grift.
- reddalo 1y ago
  Speaking of small costs, some time ago I paid 2 euros with my credit card in order to enter the central train station toilets in Milan, Italy. The toilets were awfully dirty, there was no toilet paper and no soap. I took some pictures just in case, then I filed a chargeback with my bank. After some weeks, they gave me my 2 euros back, and the company that manages the toilets probably paid a small fine to MasterCard or whatever. Was it a waste of time, for just 2 euros? Sure. But if nobody starts complaining, nothing will ever be fixed.
  - 1y ago
hedora 1y ago
The $3 often makes the difference between someone that should not be allowed to have a drivers license, and a someone that's been driving high-end limos for years. For example, I once had a driver that heard regenerative breaking was good for fuel economy, so decided to cycle their busted prius between 60mpg and 70mph every few seconds on the freeway. I was carsick for 2 hours after that ride. Another time, I had an angry line of people tapping the windows and politely giving the driver some unsolicited advice. (The mob was right; I mostly just tried to hide my face.) So, the $3 is a big problem, but has nothing to do with money.
NotAnOtter 1y ago
$3 sure but you're already paying $XX for the service in the first place.
jen729w 1y ago
It's the point. I've noticed the same, in Australia on Uber, and have stopped bothering asking for the 'comfort' vehicle. It's the same car. They just charge you $3 more for thinking you're going to get something nicer. You're not.
nullify88 1y ago
Worth knowing that Uber bought Dantaxi, Denmark's largest Taxi company a couple of weeks ago. The Uber app will tap in to Dantaxi driver pool. https://www.uber.com/en-DK/newsroom/dantaxi/ https://www.uber.com/en-DK/newsroom/dantaxi/ I wonder if strong worker unions and regulations forced Uber to buy an existing company rather than starting their own presence.

by jopsen 1y ago

$3 isn't this kind of a small problem? I miss rideshare service, in Denmark we have mess of expensive high quality taxis that you cannot get hold of when you need one.

harmmonica 1y ago

I'm not sure I'm reading you correctly, but if you mean it's a small problem because $3 isn't much money then, heck yes, it's a microscopic problem (is there something smaller than microscopic because if so then it's whatever that thing is)! But I didn't bring it up to complain about the $3 per se. I can elaborate, but I'm not sure if that's what you were specifically referring to or if I'm misunderstanding your question.

georgemcbay 1y ago

> $3 isn't this kind of a small problem? Its the principle, not the size of the cost. If a company with good customer service accidentally overcharged me $200 but I could call someone and have it fixed easily that would set me off far less than a company that screwed me out of $1 who has shit-tier dark pattern customer service.

khazhoux 1y ago

> $3 isn't this kind of a small problem? You're right -- it's surprising Lyft wouldn't just give back $3 (such a small amount!) to keep a customer.

applecrazy 1y ago
this is so rampant but they know they have a captive market (in many places, only uber or lyft are an option) so they abuse their position
- internetter 1y ago
  I've had good experiences with Uber. I know others don't, but I have. I used to use Lyft but they treated me like shit so now I don't. If Uber starts treating me like shit I'm going back to taxis. If taxis treat me like shit I'll take the bus, walk, buy a car, or any of the dozens of other ways to get around, even if impractical. The market is only captive because people are lazy and weak willed.

jeremyjh 1y ago

A tiny problem, that would cost them nothing to fix, and they chose not to. This is a story about shitty customer service, not $3 being lost.

ndr 1y ago
You can dispute via your credit card. They'll care quickly enough.
- semiquaver 1y ago
  Lyft will ban your account if you issue a chargeback. You’ll get your money back but if you want to continue to use the service this is not a good option.
  - Retric 1y ago
    Do it anyway. You get your money back, it costs them more money, and the more they ban people over stuff like this the faster you run shitty companies out of business. To do anything else promotes them doing the same thing to you in the future and other people.
    - bapak 1y ago
      And soon enough you don't have any apps to use. Sometimes you gotta pick your fights. Chargebacks to gatekeepers are the worst because life is long and you will always lose.
      - chii 1y ago
        it's why you take them to small claims court. Unfortunately, the terms and conditions have made sure they are clear of small claims by forcing you to do arbitration, which is more expensive for you than them (in relative terms, unless they also put into the T&C to pay for your arbitration costs - which some companies have done iirc, such as epic games). Chargebacks are the last resort - only really worth doing if it is a large amount that you will miss if not charged back.

sanswork 1y ago

$3 is small enough that almost everyone will just eat the cost. I have a theory that they do this intentionally in some things(well Uber I've never used lift). Almost every time I order food and something is wrong or missing they'll give me a refund that is $2-3 off what it should be. Like if I order a $5 item and it's missing their service will refund me $2. At that point I can chose to spend literally an hour going through different support flows to try to reach a human who will correct it and give me the extra $2 or I can eat the loss. It's happened to me at least a dozen times now so I imagine it's common enough across the whole world to add millions of revenue each year.

ApolloFortyNine 1y ago
Doordash did to me for 70cents or so once. There was a missing item in an order, no big deal, app let's you report it, and the exact item that was missing. But instead of refunding the $2 it cost, they refunded like $1.19 or something to that affect.
- wileydragonfly 1y ago
  DoorDash.. either the drivers can selectively identify the most expensive entree and remove it without disturbing anything… or restaurant owners figured out they could just leave it out without any real penalty. Happened so many times I got tired of arguing and chargebacks and moved on. No issues with other services.. someone figured out a grift.
reddalo 1y ago
Speaking of small costs, some time ago I paid 2 euros with my credit card in order to enter the central train station toilets in Milan, Italy. The toilets were awfully dirty, there was no toilet paper and no soap. I took some pictures just in case, then I filed a chargeback with my bank. After some weeks, they gave me my 2 euros back, and the company that manages the toilets probably paid a small fine to MasterCard or whatever. Was it a waste of time, for just 2 euros? Sure. But if nobody starts complaining, nothing will ever be fixed.
- 1y ago

hedora 1y ago

The $3 often makes the difference between someone that should not be allowed to have a drivers license, and a someone that's been driving high-end limos for years. For example, I once had a driver that heard regenerative breaking was good for fuel economy, so decided to cycle their busted prius between 60mpg and 70mph every few seconds on the freeway. I was carsick for 2 hours after that ride. Another time, I had an angry line of people tapping the windows and politely giving the driver some unsolicited advice. (The mob was right; I mostly just tried to hide my face.) So, the $3 is a big problem, but has nothing to do with money.

NotAnOtter 1y ago

$3 sure but you're already paying $XX for the service in the first place.

jen729w 1y ago

It's the point. I've noticed the same, in Australia on Uber, and have stopped bothering asking for the 'comfort' vehicle. It's the same car. They just charge you $3 more for thinking you're going to get something nicer. You're not.

nullify88 1y ago

Worth knowing that Uber bought Dantaxi, Denmark's largest Taxi company a couple of weeks ago. The Uber app will tap in to Dantaxi driver pool. https://www.uber.com/en-DK/newsroom/dantaxi/ https://www.uber.com/en-DK/newsroom/dantaxi/ I wonder if strong worker unions and regulations forced Uber to buy an existing company rather than starting their own presence.