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>s Liquid Glass really "translucent" though? I mean, aside from the gimmicky transparent setting, which is going to be horrible for accessibility (can you say "

by serf 1y ago

>s Liquid Glass really "translucent" though? I mean, aside from the gimmicky transparent setting, which is going to be horrible for accessibility (can you say "contrast"?) so anyone with less than perfect vision and/or a sensible concern for usable UX is going to turn that off immediately. I have a hard time parsing this. "Is the glass effect transparent if I don't turn off transparency?" uhh.. Yes. As a bit of a citizen scientist myself let me explain how I wrapped my laymen's brain around it : If I can see through it, it's transparent. If the color changes behind the thing, and I can somehow intuit that -- good chance's we're dealing with transparency.

brailsafe 1y ago
Seems like you're conflating translucency and transparency, and Apple is being a bit imprecise with those terms too. As in, if you turn off what Apple is calling "transparency", is the interface still arguably "translucent" in the way that's implied by the Carmack quote, which I take to mean some Minority Report barely frosted-glass effect in the background. > If I can see through it, it's transparent. Yes, if you can clearly make out the details behind whatever it is you're looking through. > If the color changes behind the thing, and I can somehow intuit that -- good chance's we're dealing with transparency. This would normally be translucency, akin to a shower door or curtain that lets you see that someone is in there and maybe who, but not much more. In this case though, it's a bit weird, and it seems like the person you responded to did have a relevant question, because as far as I've seen it's kind of pseudo-transparent but not quite translucent in different contexts, in the sense that you can more clearly see through to detail that's sometimes there (slider position, magnifying glass) and sometimes only derived from the bottom layer, like colors changing. To me, it's less like a shower door vs window, and more like a window vs looking through the bottom of a shot glass, but im some cases closer to opaque than translucent if the transparent gimmick is turned off, based on how the question was asked.
anon373839 1y ago
I haven’t downloaded the beta, but from what I can see in the demos, Liquid Glass dynamically adjusts the properties of the overlay (text color, background blur, alpha, fill) based on what is underneath so that the illusion of transparency is there but the text is still readable. The only time this doesn’t seem to happen is while in animation / scrolling. The adjustment comes after the movement stops. All of the outrage screenshots I’ve seen appeared to have been taken during animation.
- vehemenz 1y ago
  It doesn’t adjust correctly much of the time. For example, full screen video controls will effectively disappear, rendering them unususable, in many circumstances (particularly against white backgrounds).

by serf 1y ago

brailsafe 1y ago

Seems like you're conflating translucency and transparency, and Apple is being a bit imprecise with those terms too. As in, if you turn off what Apple is calling "transparency", is the interface still arguably "translucent" in the way that's implied by the Carmack quote, which I take to mean some Minority Report barely frosted-glass effect in the background. > If I can see through it, it's transparent. Yes, if you can clearly make out the details behind whatever it is you're looking through. > If the color changes behind the thing, and I can somehow intuit that -- good chance's we're dealing with transparency. This would normally be translucency, akin to a shower door or curtain that lets you see that someone is in there and maybe who, but not much more. In this case though, it's a bit weird, and it seems like the person you responded to did have a relevant question, because as far as I've seen it's kind of pseudo-transparent but not quite translucent in different contexts, in the sense that you can more clearly see through to detail that's sometimes there (slider position, magnifying glass) and sometimes only derived from the bottom layer, like colors changing. To me, it's less like a shower door vs window, and more like a window vs looking through the bottom of a shot glass, but im some cases closer to opaque than translucent if the transparent gimmick is turned off, based on how the question was asked.

anon373839 1y ago

I haven’t downloaded the beta, but from what I can see in the demos, Liquid Glass dynamically adjusts the properties of the overlay (text color, background blur, alpha, fill) based on what is underneath so that the illusion of transparency is there but the text is still readable. The only time this doesn’t seem to happen is while in animation / scrolling. The adjustment comes after the movement stops. All of the outrage screenshots I’ve seen appeared to have been taken during animation.

vehemenz 1y ago
It doesn’t adjust correctly much of the time. For example, full screen video controls will effectively disappear, rendering them unususable, in many circumstances (particularly against white backgrounds).