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sad, was thinking to switch from iPhone to pixel 10 in few months once released exactly for the reason that is clean android and gives and escape hatch to use g

by pzo 1y ago

sad, was thinking to switch from iPhone to pixel 10 in few months once released exactly for the reason that is clean android and gives and escape hatch to use grapheneOS or lineageOS or calysOS. Any other android phone manufacturer that is supported by any of those projects? Most devices supported except pixel devices are few years old.

NewJazz 1y ago
Fairphone
zeech 1y ago
GrapheneOS only supports Pixels due to their having superior security features [0]. Calyx supports Pixels as well as some newer Motos and the Fairphone 4 and 5 [1]. Lineage supports tons of devices [2]. LineageOS is the only one of the three that supports older hardware, but I'd recommend getting a previous-gen Pixel for the seven-year (at least) support cycle. [0] https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices [1] https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/ https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/ [2] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
input_sh 1y ago
> Most devices supported except pixel devices are few years old. That pretty much sums it up, there's a reason all of those custom ROMs pivoted to supporting basically just Pixels. Apart from Pixels, your only options are Fairphone and a few years old Chinese models (Xiaomi, Motorola, OnePlus), none of which are even close to state-of-the-art hardware. Custom ROMs are pretty much dead, this just might be the final nail in their coffin.
- nixass 1y ago
  > (Xiaomi, Motorola, OnePlus), none of which are even close to state-of-the-art hardware. Well, Pixel is arguably pretty shitty hardware as well
  - subscribed 1y ago
    Sadly it's also only reasonably secure Android phone :(
  - jacooper 1y ago
    I truly hate how crappy their processors are, it's insane that their upcoming flagship will have the same performance as a three year old flagship. you don't need it, it's just a phone. Yeah maybe now, but in two years when the pixel is shitting itself you will understand. If GrapheneOS dies, that's probably it for me with pixels. The only advantage left is how cheap you can get a new flagship pixel on the gray market.
    - g-b-r 1y ago
      The Pixel 10 ought to have a TSMC SoC (https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-3470386 https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-3470386)
- belowaverageiq 1y ago
  this is not true at all. the 1yr old OP12 has LineageOS and so does the 6 months old 13R, with support for the 13 incoming.
  - pzo 1y ago
    I see only oneplus 11 in the officially supported phones list. I'm not interested in unofficial port - in the era of SGS2 I played many custom unofficial rooms but this days I don't have time for it
flanbiscuit 1y ago
I'm moving away from Pixel Phones for my next Android. Going to switch back to Samsung. I currently have a Pixel 8 and my screen went completely green and glitchy yesterday (Google "android green screen", it's a hardware issue). It freaked me out because Im in the beginning of a long vacation with tickets held digitally in various apps and email. Thankfully I eventually figured out the solution which is ridiculous, when it happens again I just need to squeeze the bottom of my phone. My last Pixel phone just completely died on me randomly as I unplugged it from my car. And I've had previous Pixel phones just ignore calls, sending them straight to voicemail (which is a common issue if you Google that as well). I will miss having stock android and timely updates, I will hate Samsung bloatware and apps I can't uninstall, but it's I hope to have more stability and longer life for my phones. In barely getting 2 years of life from my Pixels. I'm also seriously considering iPhones as well.
- izacus 1y ago
  Why not return your phone for warranty when its obviously broken (hardware wise)?
- jhasse 1y ago
  The green screen issue is covered by warranty, so get your display swapped at an official repair store. The new ones don't have the green screen issue.
- bubblethink 1y ago
  You need to manage your expectations with Pixel devices. They are often on sale. Buy the A series for ~$300, which is also what the Nexus phones used to be priced at. They easily last 3+ years, and if they die after that it's no big deal. Dying early, bootlooping, overheating, etc. have been a part of these devices since they have existed.
  - lipowitz 1y ago
    They've raised the prices so one is looking at a 1 year old a-series to pay $300. Meanwhile they are even further behind the curve hardware wise. It would be very nice (but a tremendous effort) if Graphene OS took this opportunity to switch hardware preference right before Google's August release. Maybe to someone who could make a modern tablet too.
throawayonthe 1y ago
grapheneos is still going strong https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114661914197695338 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114661914197695338
- DaSHacka 1y ago
  Glad to hear, that was my immediate worry upon seeing the thread.
vbezhenar 1y ago
I tried to switch from iPhone to Pixel and switched back. Modern Pixel is absolutely not clean android. It's a mess of misfeatures. There's no clean android. iPhone is lean and compact compared to Android. GrapheneOS is solid, but built by security freaks, so unless you're a fan of OpenBSD, it makes little sense to use it. And any custom ROM locks you out of many important apps, like banks apps, NFC payments, etc (unless you want to actively combat integrity system).
- morjom 1y ago
  "Security freaks" "OpenBSD" "Locks you out of many important apps ... (Unless you want to combat integrity system)" When did you try to switch?
  - vbezhenar 1y ago
    Last month.
- lipowitz 1y ago
  I don't see what OpenBSD has to do with it. Is this like liking reliability in a car meaning you are a Toyota fan? I've had no trouble with banks, brokers or payment networks on GrapheneOS but I don't use crap like company-X pay wallets..
  - vbezhenar 1y ago
    GrapheneOS is not just AOSP rebuild. They do an astonishing amount of work to harden Android. They have a lot of security and privacy-related features. They built a custom layer over Google Services to contain them. I admire this effort. However I don't care that much about my privacy and I don't care about extended security. All I want is a basic Android system without any of added apps, without any AI. I want the most basic apps for phone, SMS, camera. And I want working Google Play to install some additional apps. I want OS focused around this goal. Not OS focused around extended security or privacy. So it's like suggesting to buy M1 Abrams instead of Toyota Land Cruiser. I'm embracing ascetic computing. I'm using Arch Linux with bare minimum of apps for my desktop. And I wanted to do the same for my smartphone. Pixel is incredibly bloated. I spent few days just navigating its maze of settings, trying to disable them all. At this point, I'm back to my old iPhone, which at least allows me to uninstall almost every single app and old enough, so it does not support Apple Intelligence (thank, god).

by pzo 1y ago

NewJazz 1y ago

Fairphone

zeech 1y ago

GrapheneOS only supports Pixels due to their having superior security features [0]. Calyx supports Pixels as well as some newer Motos and the Fairphone 4 and 5 [1]. Lineage supports tons of devices [2]. LineageOS is the only one of the three that supports older hardware, but I'd recommend getting a previous-gen Pixel for the seven-year (at least) support cycle. [0] https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices [1] https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/ https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/ [2] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

input_sh 1y ago

> Most devices supported except pixel devices are few years old. That pretty much sums it up, there's a reason all of those custom ROMs pivoted to supporting basically just Pixels. Apart from Pixels, your only options are Fairphone and a few years old Chinese models (Xiaomi, Motorola, OnePlus), none of which are even close to state-of-the-art hardware. Custom ROMs are pretty much dead, this just might be the final nail in their coffin.

nixass 1y ago
> (Xiaomi, Motorola, OnePlus), none of which are even close to state-of-the-art hardware. Well, Pixel is arguably pretty shitty hardware as well
- subscribed 1y ago
  Sadly it's also only reasonably secure Android phone :(
- jacooper 1y ago
  I truly hate how crappy their processors are, it's insane that their upcoming flagship will have the same performance as a three year old flagship. you don't need it, it's just a phone. Yeah maybe now, but in two years when the pixel is shitting itself you will understand. If GrapheneOS dies, that's probably it for me with pixels. The only advantage left is how cheap you can get a new flagship pixel on the gray market.
  - g-b-r 1y ago
    The Pixel 10 ought to have a TSMC SoC (https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-3470386 https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-3470386)
belowaverageiq 1y ago
this is not true at all. the 1yr old OP12 has LineageOS and so does the 6 months old 13R, with support for the 13 incoming.
- pzo 1y ago
  I see only oneplus 11 in the officially supported phones list. I'm not interested in unofficial port - in the era of SGS2 I played many custom unofficial rooms but this days I don't have time for it

flanbiscuit 1y ago

I'm moving away from Pixel Phones for my next Android. Going to switch back to Samsung. I currently have a Pixel 8 and my screen went completely green and glitchy yesterday (Google "android green screen", it's a hardware issue). It freaked me out because Im in the beginning of a long vacation with tickets held digitally in various apps and email. Thankfully I eventually figured out the solution which is ridiculous, when it happens again I just need to squeeze the bottom of my phone. My last Pixel phone just completely died on me randomly as I unplugged it from my car. And I've had previous Pixel phones just ignore calls, sending them straight to voicemail (which is a common issue if you Google that as well). I will miss having stock android and timely updates, I will hate Samsung bloatware and apps I can't uninstall, but it's I hope to have more stability and longer life for my phones. In barely getting 2 years of life from my Pixels. I'm also seriously considering iPhones as well.

izacus 1y ago
Why not return your phone for warranty when its obviously broken (hardware wise)?
jhasse 1y ago
The green screen issue is covered by warranty, so get your display swapped at an official repair store. The new ones don't have the green screen issue.
bubblethink 1y ago
You need to manage your expectations with Pixel devices. They are often on sale. Buy the A series for ~$300, which is also what the Nexus phones used to be priced at. They easily last 3+ years, and if they die after that it's no big deal. Dying early, bootlooping, overheating, etc. have been a part of these devices since they have existed.
- lipowitz 1y ago
  They've raised the prices so one is looking at a 1 year old a-series to pay $300. Meanwhile they are even further behind the curve hardware wise. It would be very nice (but a tremendous effort) if Graphene OS took this opportunity to switch hardware preference right before Google's August release. Maybe to someone who could make a modern tablet too.

throawayonthe 1y ago

grapheneos is still going strong https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114661914197695338 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114661914197695338

DaSHacka 1y ago
Glad to hear, that was my immediate worry upon seeing the thread.

vbezhenar 1y ago

I tried to switch from iPhone to Pixel and switched back. Modern Pixel is absolutely not clean android. It's a mess of misfeatures. There's no clean android. iPhone is lean and compact compared to Android. GrapheneOS is solid, but built by security freaks, so unless you're a fan of OpenBSD, it makes little sense to use it. And any custom ROM locks you out of many important apps, like banks apps, NFC payments, etc (unless you want to actively combat integrity system).

morjom 1y ago
"Security freaks" "OpenBSD" "Locks you out of many important apps ... (Unless you want to combat integrity system)" When did you try to switch?
- vbezhenar 1y ago
  Last month.
lipowitz 1y ago
I don't see what OpenBSD has to do with it. Is this like liking reliability in a car meaning you are a Toyota fan? I've had no trouble with banks, brokers or payment networks on GrapheneOS but I don't use crap like company-X pay wallets..
- vbezhenar 1y ago
  GrapheneOS is not just AOSP rebuild. They do an astonishing amount of work to harden Android. They have a lot of security and privacy-related features. They built a custom layer over Google Services to contain them. I admire this effort. However I don't care that much about my privacy and I don't care about extended security. All I want is a basic Android system without any of added apps, without any AI. I want the most basic apps for phone, SMS, camera. And I want working Google Play to install some additional apps. I want OS focused around this goal. Not OS focused around extended security or privacy. So it's like suggesting to buy M1 Abrams instead of Toyota Land Cruiser. I'm embracing ascetic computing. I'm using Arch Linux with bare minimum of apps for my desktop. And I wanted to do the same for my smartphone. Pixel is incredibly bloated. I spent few days just navigating its maze of settings, trying to disable them all. At this point, I'm back to my old iPhone, which at least allows me to uninstall almost every single app and old enough, so it does not support Apple Intelligence (thank, god).