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As a clarification for the "I didn't do anything wrong, I have nothing to hide" crowd, most of the time when someone is pregnant and then suddenly not pregnant,

As a clarification for the "I didn't do anything wrong, I have nothing to hide" crowd, most of the time when someone is pregnant and then suddenly not pregnant, the cause is a miscarriage. And most people would go see a doctor if there is a lot of pain or bleeding. An overzealous prosecutor (usually running for election) is going to make the claim that you went to a doctor and now you aren't pregnant, you must have made an abortion. And now you have to hire lawyers to argue in court. And all in a easily 3rd-party mass-suppeonable database. That's why this is such a big problem. https://thegeorgiasun.com/news/woman-arrested-after-miscarriage-in-georgia-under-abortion-law/ https://thegeorgiasun.com/news/woman-arrested-after-miscarri... https://www.themarshallproject.org/2025/04/02/law-pregnancy-california-ohio-georgia-alabama https://www.themarshallproject.org/2025/04/02/law-pregnancy-...

msdrider 1y ago
Surely the burden of proof is on the prosecution? I don't have a problem with this. If a child - even an unborn one - dies in mysterious circumstances, I would prefer the inconvenience of a fruitless investigation over the prospect of living in a society where we don't even care enough to ever be suspicious.
- freejazz 1y ago
  So you want the state to investigate every single miscarriage? Where did "mysterious circumstances" come from? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in this thread... Do you think a miscarriage is a "mysterious circumstance"? I can only assume so, given your response. That seems like the result of what could only be tremendous ignorance.
  - mstridder1 1y ago
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    - freejazz 1y ago
      It's not a strawman. You said "mysterious circumstances" when we are talking about miscarriages. Do you think they are the same or not? It's a very simple question. >Do you not want police to investigate reports of someone disposing of human remains in a dumpster? What does this have to do with a miscarriage????
      - mstridder1 1y ago
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        freejazz 1y ago
        > Obviously nobody's being investigated for routine miscarriages. Sorry, how does a third party know the miscarriage was "routine?" What is a non-routine miscarriage? Why would it be criminal, it's still a miscarriage? What's the suspicion? The article you refer to, the investigation happened, not because there was a miscarriage, but because a body was seen being dumped... Maybe it was the mistake of the other poster for sharing that link, but I do not see what it has to do with your point at all. Either miscarriages are illegal or not... you said they should be investigated when they are "mysterious circumstances" and I am repeatedly asking you to explain when a miscarriage is a mysterious circumstance? Even more so, when is it such that it has any relevancy to this discussion about the state tracking a woman's pregnancy through digital data. >Oh, check out the links that started this discussion. tldr- A woman was seen disposing of a baby's body in a dumpster, prompting an investigation. She was ultimately cleared as it was indeed a miscarriage. What about all the other incidents in the other article besides the one you decided to talk about because you are not willing to state whether or not you think a miscarriage is a "mysterious circumstance?" Which seems like a very straightforward question and I do not understand your unwillingness to provide a response when your previous posts make it very unclear as to whether or not you think a miscarriage is a normal occurrence.
        mstridder1 1y ago
        >I do not understand your unwillingness to provide a response ... as to whether or not you think a miscarriage is a normal occurrence Why would I? It's such a rude question. We are discussing the nuances of suspicious "miscarriages" that appear to be home abortions constituting valid reason for investigation and possible prosecution, and you are hung up on ridiculous strawmen as if you're the only person who understands the issue so everybody else who disagrees must be an uninformed sociopath. It's disrespectful and immature. Yes, I have the basic concepts of mammalian biology well understood. And this will be my signoff to you and this discussion.
- fhdkweig 1y ago
  For a conviction, yes, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. But in the meantime, you have to pay for a lawyer, and you will be sitting in jail for a year because they don't give bail for murderers. And as for the lawyer bills, the court doesn't refund you the money when you are found innocent, and it isn't going to be cheap, not for murder. The process is the punishment.
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- hoistbypetard 1y ago
  There is nothing mysterious about a miscarriage. They are common. According to the Mayo Clinic: > Miscarriage is the sudden loss of a pregnancy before the 20th week. About 10% to 20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. But the actual number is likely higher. This is because many miscarriages happen early on, before people realize they're pregnant. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-loss-miscarriage/symptoms-causes/syc-20354298 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-los... Subjecting a person who is already upset about her miscarriage to a fruitless investigation is cruel and stupid; I’d prefer to live in a society where we understand that miscarriages happen as a part of nature and don’t need to further torment the people who suffer from them.
  - mstridder1 1y ago
    As I understand it, in this case, a witness saw a woman throwing a child's remains in a dumpster. After investigation, it was cleared as a miscarriage. What would you prefer? We turn a blind eye to people disposing of bodies? Cops refuse to investigate such reports? It sounds like everything worked as intended here. Of course it's unfortunate for the innocent woman involved, but this is clearly not a witchhunt.
    - JohnBooty 1y ago
      This line of discussion inevitably boils down to what one's definition of a human life is and whether a fetus at a particular stage of development meets that definition. Let's not have that discussion here on HN. It's not going to be fruitful.
blueflow 1y ago
Behind this is the utterly asinine social idea that miscarriages are something rare.
rustcleaner 1y ago
Yep now instead of menstration cycles and abortion, replace it with antisemitism or grass-eaters or any other political disposition. You may be getting denied jobs because of posts you made to an anonymous imageboard which you thought were anonymous, but something like your Grammarly extension sent all your typed text up the pipe and now the corporate-state squid knows you're a wrongthinker full of thoughtcrime. Intel agents look for blackmail to gain leverage over targets. I wonder how many security cleared personnel are going to be vulnerable to Chinese and Iranian extortion, once a database run by one of the cloud-based cannabis CRM+POS companies gets leaked with all that customer and purchase info. I am seriously considering making a fake ID for pot shops, so they quit typing my name into their cloud-connected fucking databases!
- bluGill 1y ago
  Try replacing it with something that wasn't even a concern years ago but now is the hot topic. Various things go in and out of style. Those harmless pranks you did as a kid that everyone laughed at then are now immoral and enough to get you on.

msdrider 1y ago

Surely the burden of proof is on the prosecution? I don't have a problem with this. If a child - even an unborn one - dies in mysterious circumstances, I would prefer the inconvenience of a fruitless investigation over the prospect of living in a society where we don't even care enough to ever be suspicious.

freejazz 1y ago
So you want the state to investigate every single miscarriage? Where did "mysterious circumstances" come from? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in this thread... Do you think a miscarriage is a "mysterious circumstance"? I can only assume so, given your response. That seems like the result of what could only be tremendous ignorance.
- mstridder1 1y ago
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  - freejazz 1y ago
    It's not a strawman. You said "mysterious circumstances" when we are talking about miscarriages. Do you think they are the same or not? It's a very simple question. >Do you not want police to investigate reports of someone disposing of human remains in a dumpster? What does this have to do with a miscarriage????
    - mstridder1 1y ago
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      - freejazz 1y ago
        > Obviously nobody's being investigated for routine miscarriages. Sorry, how does a third party know the miscarriage was "routine?" What is a non-routine miscarriage? Why would it be criminal, it's still a miscarriage? What's the suspicion? The article you refer to, the investigation happened, not because there was a miscarriage, but because a body was seen being dumped... Maybe it was the mistake of the other poster for sharing that link, but I do not see what it has to do with your point at all. Either miscarriages are illegal or not... you said they should be investigated when they are "mysterious circumstances" and I am repeatedly asking you to explain when a miscarriage is a mysterious circumstance? Even more so, when is it such that it has any relevancy to this discussion about the state tracking a woman's pregnancy through digital data. >Oh, check out the links that started this discussion. tldr- A woman was seen disposing of a baby's body in a dumpster, prompting an investigation. She was ultimately cleared as it was indeed a miscarriage. What about all the other incidents in the other article besides the one you decided to talk about because you are not willing to state whether or not you think a miscarriage is a "mysterious circumstance?" Which seems like a very straightforward question and I do not understand your unwillingness to provide a response when your previous posts make it very unclear as to whether or not you think a miscarriage is a normal occurrence.
        mstridder1 1y ago
        >I do not understand your unwillingness to provide a response ... as to whether or not you think a miscarriage is a normal occurrence Why would I? It's such a rude question. We are discussing the nuances of suspicious "miscarriages" that appear to be home abortions constituting valid reason for investigation and possible prosecution, and you are hung up on ridiculous strawmen as if you're the only person who understands the issue so everybody else who disagrees must be an uninformed sociopath. It's disrespectful and immature. Yes, I have the basic concepts of mammalian biology well understood. And this will be my signoff to you and this discussion.
fhdkweig 1y ago
For a conviction, yes, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. But in the meantime, you have to pay for a lawyer, and you will be sitting in jail for a year because they don't give bail for murderers. And as for the lawyer bills, the court doesn't refund you the money when you are found innocent, and it isn't going to be cheap, not for murder. The process is the punishment.
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hoistbypetard 1y ago
There is nothing mysterious about a miscarriage. They are common. According to the Mayo Clinic: > Miscarriage is the sudden loss of a pregnancy before the 20th week. About 10% to 20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. But the actual number is likely higher. This is because many miscarriages happen early on, before people realize they're pregnant. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-loss-miscarriage/symptoms-causes/syc-20354298 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-los... Subjecting a person who is already upset about her miscarriage to a fruitless investigation is cruel and stupid; I’d prefer to live in a society where we understand that miscarriages happen as a part of nature and don’t need to further torment the people who suffer from them.
- mstridder1 1y ago
  As I understand it, in this case, a witness saw a woman throwing a child's remains in a dumpster. After investigation, it was cleared as a miscarriage. What would you prefer? We turn a blind eye to people disposing of bodies? Cops refuse to investigate such reports? It sounds like everything worked as intended here. Of course it's unfortunate for the innocent woman involved, but this is clearly not a witchhunt.
  - JohnBooty 1y ago
    This line of discussion inevitably boils down to what one's definition of a human life is and whether a fetus at a particular stage of development meets that definition. Let's not have that discussion here on HN. It's not going to be fruitful.

blueflow 1y ago

Behind this is the utterly asinine social idea that miscarriages are something rare.

rustcleaner 1y ago

Yep now instead of menstration cycles and abortion, replace it with antisemitism or grass-eaters or any other political disposition. You may be getting denied jobs because of posts you made to an anonymous imageboard which you thought were anonymous, but something like your Grammarly extension sent all your typed text up the pipe and now the corporate-state squid knows you're a wrongthinker full of thoughtcrime. Intel agents look for blackmail to gain leverage over targets. I wonder how many security cleared personnel are going to be vulnerable to Chinese and Iranian extortion, once a database run by one of the cloud-based cannabis CRM+POS companies gets leaked with all that customer and purchase info. I am seriously considering making a fake ID for pot shops, so they quit typing my name into their cloud-connected fucking databases!

bluGill 1y ago
Try replacing it with something that wasn't even a concern years ago but now is the hot topic. Various things go in and out of style. Those harmless pranks you did as a kid that everyone laughed at then are now immoral and enough to get you on.