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It’s always worth pointing out there are many billions of people who live completely free of this fear of reprisals from the state/country they live in

isodev 1y ago
True, but for many, even “local only” apps store their data on devices managed by US-based companies. Would Apple sell your data to advertisers? - probably not. Would Apple share your data with law enforcement? - of course, and they don’t even need to tell you.
- dylan604 1y ago
  why why why are you using a company device for such personal information? don't do this.
  - iamacyborg 1y ago
    I don’t believe they mean storing it on a company owned device, just that Apple and Google are US companies
    - rtkwe 1y ago
      That's what I got out of isodev's comment too. The data is accessible by US companies still. If it comes down to being able to sell services and phones to the US market or giving up your data to a warrant I don't think Apple would stand on principal and lose US market access. [0] [0] To clarify preemptively I mean if it came down to that in the end. I think Apple would attempt to fight it but if they lost in the Supreme Court and had to make the choice I think privacy would lose that fight.
    - dylan604 1y ago
      maybe, but it reads like IT managed devices owned by your employer. i've never seen it referenced as "managed" when referring to the fact that iOS/Android are US companies. seems a strained way to phrase it
      - justinrubek 1y ago
        An iOS device is a device managed by Apple, though. The user doesn't manage it themselves. I didn't get a hint of employer owned devices from that happen.
      - isodev 1y ago
        Your iPhone is fully managed by Apple. They control which apps are preinstalled, which apps you can install and uninstall, they can even intervene and install/uninstall apps without your intervention. Your phone needs to communicate with Apple even to just be a phone for calling and SMS. The data from apps is included in your iCloud backups (in addition to the data some apps choose to share with iCloud so it syncs between devices) and so easily accessible. We’re not talking about individual targeting here, but there are no technological barriers to guard against your data being shared by “the platform”.
- testing22321 1y ago
  Law enforcement in developed countries don’t care about that information. The right to abortion is part of society, and strongly held.
mschuster91 1y ago
Unfortunately, the right to abortion is under fire worldwide. I'm not just talking about the usual suspects like Russia or Islamist theocracies, but also here in Europe... Hungary and Poland being the first suspects, but Italy is also planning to restrict it [1]. And in Germany, the last government at least banned "pro-life" haunting events, but there are wide swaths especially in Bavaria where there is no doctor or clinic providing abortion at all, even in medical emergency scenarios, because church-run hospitals can and do ban it. [1] https://www.rnd.de/politik/abtreibungsgesetz-in-italien-recht-auf-abtreibung-soll-ausgehoehlt-werden-YKSEDUZL5BE63IIM6PFH777HPY.html https://www.rnd.de/politik/abtreibungsgesetz-in-italien-rech...
- rtkwe 1y ago
  Yeah the conservative rubber banding and backsliding isn't isolated to just the US right now we're just ahead of the rest of the pack partially because of our government and election structure being more beholden to the GOP because of the senate and gerrymandering in the states after the 2010 election and subsequent redistricting.

isodev 1y ago

True, but for many, even “local only” apps store their data on devices managed by US-based companies. Would Apple sell your data to advertisers? - probably not. Would Apple share your data with law enforcement? - of course, and they don’t even need to tell you.

dylan604 1y ago
why why why are you using a company device for such personal information? don't do this.
- iamacyborg 1y ago
  I don’t believe they mean storing it on a company owned device, just that Apple and Google are US companies
  - rtkwe 1y ago
    That's what I got out of isodev's comment too. The data is accessible by US companies still. If it comes down to being able to sell services and phones to the US market or giving up your data to a warrant I don't think Apple would stand on principal and lose US market access. [0] [0] To clarify preemptively I mean if it came down to that in the end. I think Apple would attempt to fight it but if they lost in the Supreme Court and had to make the choice I think privacy would lose that fight.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    maybe, but it reads like IT managed devices owned by your employer. i've never seen it referenced as "managed" when referring to the fact that iOS/Android are US companies. seems a strained way to phrase it
    - justinrubek 1y ago
      An iOS device is a device managed by Apple, though. The user doesn't manage it themselves. I didn't get a hint of employer owned devices from that happen.
    - isodev 1y ago
      Your iPhone is fully managed by Apple. They control which apps are preinstalled, which apps you can install and uninstall, they can even intervene and install/uninstall apps without your intervention. Your phone needs to communicate with Apple even to just be a phone for calling and SMS. The data from apps is included in your iCloud backups (in addition to the data some apps choose to share with iCloud so it syncs between devices) and so easily accessible. We’re not talking about individual targeting here, but there are no technological barriers to guard against your data being shared by “the platform”.
testing22321 1y ago
Law enforcement in developed countries don’t care about that information. The right to abortion is part of society, and strongly held.

mschuster91 1y ago

Unfortunately, the right to abortion is under fire worldwide. I'm not just talking about the usual suspects like Russia or Islamist theocracies, but also here in Europe... Hungary and Poland being the first suspects, but Italy is also planning to restrict it [1]. And in Germany, the last government at least banned "pro-life" haunting events, but there are wide swaths especially in Bavaria where there is no doctor or clinic providing abortion at all, even in medical emergency scenarios, because church-run hospitals can and do ban it. [1] https://www.rnd.de/politik/abtreibungsgesetz-in-italien-recht-auf-abtreibung-soll-ausgehoehlt-werden-YKSEDUZL5BE63IIM6PFH777HPY.html https://www.rnd.de/politik/abtreibungsgesetz-in-italien-rech...

rtkwe 1y ago
Yeah the conservative rubber banding and backsliding isn't isolated to just the US right now we're just ahead of the rest of the pack partially because of our government and election structure being more beholden to the GOP because of the senate and gerrymandering in the states after the 2010 election and subsequent redistricting.