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Because those things don’t align with what you value? Of course.

iLoveOncall 1y ago
Yes, I think a passion about marketing can only result in net-negative for humanity. It's not that I don't value those things, it's that I think they're actively harmful (at least some of them), and that being passionate about them shows very toxic personality traits.
- lmm 1y ago
  I agree completely, but would say the same of your username.
  - iLoveOncall 1y ago
    Check this discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43867827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43867827
    - lmm 1y ago
      Responding to client requests can be nice, sure, but having to be available outside working hours is still awful, and that's the defining characteristic of what people usually mean by oncall.
      - iLoveOncall 1y ago
        I agree, but iLoveOncallTasksButNotTheHours doesn't have the same ring to it.
baobabKoodaa 1y ago
Do you think the world is better off with this guy going from FOSS passion to "business & marketing passion"? I understand if your values contain something like "money for me is good", but do your values also contain something like "money for this random guy is good"?
- junon 1y ago
  Why does this guy owe anything to the world? This comment drips with entitlement.
- ben_w 1y ago
  Business & marketing are alignment mechanisms: to a first approximation, the closer you are to what people value, the more money you make, and that money is a signal that you're doing it right. Like all alignment mechanisms (democracy, bureaucracy, etc.), these things only works to a first approximation — but they do work to a first approximation. Making stuff (FOSS or otherwise) without caring about your audience leads to things like TempleOS, or the novel I've yet to finish writing (I'm never happy with what I've done despite having started it a decade ago already).
  - vovavili 1y ago
    I strongly doubt that people who claim to, all of a sudden, be passionate about marketing or business are driven by the noble impulse of value creation that you're describing. Rather, this is more of a positive externality of chasing wealth or status, where "passion" is used as a pro-social facade to frame greed. That is not to say that all business is motivated by profit alone, but something just doesn't add up in the OOP's narrative.

Yes, I think a passion about marketing can only result in net-negative for humanity. It's not that I don't value those things, it's that I think they're actively harmful (at least some of them), and that being passionate about them shows very toxic personality traits.

lmm 1y ago
I agree completely, but would say the same of your username.
- iLoveOncall 1y ago
  Check this discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43867827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43867827
  - lmm 1y ago
    Responding to client requests can be nice, sure, but having to be available outside working hours is still awful, and that's the defining characteristic of what people usually mean by oncall.
    - iLoveOncall 1y ago
      I agree, but iLoveOncallTasksButNotTheHours doesn't have the same ring to it.

baobabKoodaa 1y ago

Do you think the world is better off with this guy going from FOSS passion to "business & marketing passion"? I understand if your values contain something like "money for me is good", but do your values also contain something like "money for this random guy is good"?

junon 1y ago
Why does this guy owe anything to the world? This comment drips with entitlement.
ben_w 1y ago
Business & marketing are alignment mechanisms: to a first approximation, the closer you are to what people value, the more money you make, and that money is a signal that you're doing it right. Like all alignment mechanisms (democracy, bureaucracy, etc.), these things only works to a first approximation — but they do work to a first approximation. Making stuff (FOSS or otherwise) without caring about your audience leads to things like TempleOS, or the novel I've yet to finish writing (I'm never happy with what I've done despite having started it a decade ago already).
- vovavili 1y ago
  I strongly doubt that people who claim to, all of a sudden, be passionate about marketing or business are driven by the noble impulse of value creation that you're describing. Rather, this is more of a positive externality of chasing wealth or status, where "passion" is used as a pro-social facade to frame greed. That is not to say that all business is motivated by profit alone, but something just doesn't add up in the OOP's narrative.