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How many Waymos can be burned before the protests become riots. I agree that 1 burning Waymo is probably not worthy of a national guard deployment, but unsure a

How many Waymos can be burned before the protests become riots. I agree that 1 burning Waymo is probably not worthy of a national guard deployment, but unsure above that

bufferoverflow 1y ago
Zero. As soon as you start destroying stuff that isn't yours, it's no longer a peaceful protest.
- PleasureBot 1y ago
  There's really only 2 sides to the issue. You either accept mostly peaceful protests with some violence, whatever the cause may be, and trust local law enforcement and civilians to self-regulate. Or you are support authoritarianism and demand the federal government deploy the military against American citizens the first time someone throws a rock at a car.
  - bufferoverflow 1y ago
    No, I don't accept "some violence". And if you disagree, we can play it out. I will slap you in the face, till you agree with me. And if you stop me before, you're a fascist.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    I reject this framing and I welcome Federal agents, Federalized Guard units, and the USMC into LA and California at large to clear out all illegal immigrants. I would support them doing this with 100% peaceful protests and even with no protests at all.
- ModernMech 1y ago
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  - bufferoverflow 1y ago
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    - seanmcdirmid 1y ago
      The protesters are not a homogenous bunch, even if most of them are peaceful, there will always be rabble rousers and thugs wanting to take advantage of minor chaos to cause major chaos. Gross generalizations are then common (look, there was a rabble rousers, so they are all rabble rousers!) magnified by deceptive media techniques (show just the rabble rousers, and replay that same clip 50 times today to give the impression that this is more violent than it really is, hey, where is our photoshop person?). The effect then is to inflame outrage on both sides, and now we are basically headed to BLM 2.0. Trump seems to have actually planned this out well (use the military to stoke outrage, and a protest in one LA neighborhood becomes a nationwide riot so he has an excuse to cancel the midterms?).
      - bufferoverflow 1y ago
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        seanmcdirmid 1y ago
        Violence is bad, duh. > All you have to do for all of this to stop is stop rioting. But we both know you won't. All you have to do is stop beating your wife, but we both know you won't! Seriously, the loaded question fallacy is as old as Athens itself.
        bufferoverflow 1y ago
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        seanmcdirmid 1y ago
        You aren't arguing in good faith, so what's the point? You are using logical fallacies along with a good dose of ad hominem, which has no place on HN, or in intelligent discourse. Yes, the president talks like you also, but no, that still doesn't make it right.

How many Waymos can be burned before the protests become riots. I agree that 1 burning Waymo is probably not worthy of a national guard deployment, but unsure above that

bufferoverflow 1y ago

Zero. As soon as you start destroying stuff that isn't yours, it's no longer a peaceful protest.

PleasureBot 1y ago
There's really only 2 sides to the issue. You either accept mostly peaceful protests with some violence, whatever the cause may be, and trust local law enforcement and civilians to self-regulate. Or you are support authoritarianism and demand the federal government deploy the military against American citizens the first time someone throws a rock at a car.
- bufferoverflow 1y ago
  No, I don't accept "some violence". And if you disagree, we can play it out. I will slap you in the face, till you agree with me. And if you stop me before, you're a fascist.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  I reject this framing and I welcome Federal agents, Federalized Guard units, and the USMC into LA and California at large to clear out all illegal immigrants. I would support them doing this with 100% peaceful protests and even with no protests at all.
ModernMech 1y ago
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- bufferoverflow 1y ago
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  - seanmcdirmid 1y ago
    The protesters are not a homogenous bunch, even if most of them are peaceful, there will always be rabble rousers and thugs wanting to take advantage of minor chaos to cause major chaos. Gross generalizations are then common (look, there was a rabble rousers, so they are all rabble rousers!) magnified by deceptive media techniques (show just the rabble rousers, and replay that same clip 50 times today to give the impression that this is more violent than it really is, hey, where is our photoshop person?). The effect then is to inflame outrage on both sides, and now we are basically headed to BLM 2.0. Trump seems to have actually planned this out well (use the military to stoke outrage, and a protest in one LA neighborhood becomes a nationwide riot so he has an excuse to cancel the midterms?).
    - bufferoverflow 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - seanmcdirmid 1y ago
        Violence is bad, duh. > All you have to do for all of this to stop is stop rioting. But we both know you won't. All you have to do is stop beating your wife, but we both know you won't! Seriously, the loaded question fallacy is as old as Athens itself.
        bufferoverflow 1y ago
        [flagged]
        seanmcdirmid 1y ago
        You aren't arguing in good faith, so what's the point? You are using logical fallacies along with a good dose of ad hominem, which has no place on HN, or in intelligent discourse. Yes, the president talks like you also, but no, that still doesn't make it right.