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As long as there's any US entity at any point in the chain, I don't think it's reliable. All this talk of divisions is marketing window dressing as far as I ca

As long as there's any US entity at any point in the chain, I don't think it's reliable. All this talk of divisions is marketing window dressing as far as I can tell. If decisions are made from the US, it will be used as a weapon against our sovereignty.

vbezhenar 1y ago
Linux kernel is developed in the US. Russia felt it hard way, when their developers were cut from submitting patches. One Trump word and Europe developers will follow. That's just an example. US is a locomotive for the whole computing. I want to underline that IT production chain is incredibly long and excluding US from this chain is impossible, simple as that.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  The kernel is open source. Very worst case, we'll maintain our own fork.
pembrook 1y ago
Except the US doesn't really care about Europe that much. Having a government bureaucracy try to rebuild the entire US cloud software ecosystem because of one four year presidential term (which is already dramatically losing popularity in the US) sounds wildly silly to me. Meanwhile turning away from the US means running into the arms of the Chinese for most things. And they are the much bigger threat to the EU economy given their superior manufacturing abilities -- which still today is the base of the EU's prosperity. Once European industrial companies start losing to the Chinese, it's over for Europe's entire way of life and the social benefits systems all collapse. I'm sure they'll try USSR-style blanket protectionism before this happens, but will just lead to falling even further behind.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  I don't suggest fully turning away from the US. I think a stance similar to Yugoslavia in the Cold War would be the way to go. Extract concessions from both blocks by threatening to tip the balance of power in favor of their adversary.

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As long as there's any US entity at any point in the chain, I don't think it's reliable. All this talk of divisions is marketing window dressing as far as I ca

by saubeidl 1y ago

vbezhenar 1y ago
Linux kernel is developed in the US. Russia felt it hard way, when their developers were cut from submitting patches. One Trump word and Europe developers will follow. That's just an example. US is a locomotive for the whole computing. I want to underline that IT production chain is incredibly long and excluding US from this chain is impossible, simple as that.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  The kernel is open source. Very worst case, we'll maintain our own fork.
pembrook 1y ago
Except the US doesn't really care about Europe that much. Having a government bureaucracy try to rebuild the entire US cloud software ecosystem because of one four year presidential term (which is already dramatically losing popularity in the US) sounds wildly silly to me. Meanwhile turning away from the US means running into the arms of the Chinese for most things. And they are the much bigger threat to the EU economy given their superior manufacturing abilities -- which still today is the base of the EU's prosperity. Once European industrial companies start losing to the Chinese, it's over for Europe's entire way of life and the social benefits systems all collapse. I'm sure they'll try USSR-style blanket protectionism before this happens, but will just lead to falling even further behind.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  I don't suggest fully turning away from the US. I think a stance similar to Yugoslavia in the Cold War would be the way to go. Extract concessions from both blocks by threatening to tip the balance of power in favor of their adversary.