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Do you think that matters? The only check on presidential power that seems to exist is the impeachment process

by ta1243 1y ago

valleyer 1y ago
Even that one hasn't actually been tested to remove a US president.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Do you think that matters? Yes. Abrego Garcia is back in America, isn’t he?
- Bender 1y ago
  To be charged for multiple felonies, do jail time and then be deported again.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > To be charged for multiple felonies, do jail time and then be deported again By our courts. That is the difference between the President defying the courts to disappear a suspect and due process.
    - Bender 1y ago
      I would rather let his home country pay for that. The US have too many incarcerated as is. We should be focusing on dealing with our citizens.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > would rather let his home country pay for that. The US have too many incarcerated as is. We should be focusing on dealing with our citizens. Then you're empowering the President to detain someone solely on suspicion of being a noncitizen. Which will be mighty convenient for a future President when someone says or does something they don't like. (Irrespective of whether they are or are not a citizen.) Also, these Marines are being deployed against American citizens exercising their Constitutional right to assemble and speak. Whenever the bill comes in, it will easily have costed many orders of magnitude more than the cost of even a death-row inmate.
      - givinguflac 1y ago
        All human being have the right to due process in the US. Period.
        Bender 1y ago
        That is not my understanding. If a person is a known illegal immigrant they can be deported without ever stepping foot in a courtroom. That has been the case for as long as I can remember.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > If a person is a known illegal immigrant they can be deported without ever stepping foot in a courtroom. That has been the case for as long as I can remember. You're describing expedited removal, a power enacted by the IIRIRA of 1996 [1]. It only applies to those who "make no claim to lawful permanent resident status, and do not seek asylum or express a fear of persecution." It requires specific procedures be followed that are absolutely not being followed by ICE right now. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedited_removal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedited_removal
      - conartist6 1y ago
        If you're not willing to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States then you don't really deserve its protections for yourself, I think.

Do you think that matters? The only check on presidential power that seems to exist is the impeachment process

by ta1243 1y ago

Do you think that matters? The only check on presidential power that seems to exist is the impeachment process

valleyer 1y ago

Even that one hasn't actually been tested to remove a US president.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Do you think that matters? Yes. Abrego Garcia is back in America, isn’t he?

Bender 1y ago
To be charged for multiple felonies, do jail time and then be deported again.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > To be charged for multiple felonies, do jail time and then be deported again By our courts. That is the difference between the President defying the courts to disappear a suspect and due process.
  - Bender 1y ago
    I would rather let his home country pay for that. The US have too many incarcerated as is. We should be focusing on dealing with our citizens.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > would rather let his home country pay for that. The US have too many incarcerated as is. We should be focusing on dealing with our citizens. Then you're empowering the President to detain someone solely on suspicion of being a noncitizen. Which will be mighty convenient for a future President when someone says or does something they don't like. (Irrespective of whether they are or are not a citizen.) Also, these Marines are being deployed against American citizens exercising their Constitutional right to assemble and speak. Whenever the bill comes in, it will easily have costed many orders of magnitude more than the cost of even a death-row inmate.
    - givinguflac 1y ago
      All human being have the right to due process in the US. Period.
      - Bender 1y ago
        That is not my understanding. If a person is a known illegal immigrant they can be deported without ever stepping foot in a courtroom. That has been the case for as long as I can remember.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > If a person is a known illegal immigrant they can be deported without ever stepping foot in a courtroom. That has been the case for as long as I can remember. You're describing expedited removal, a power enacted by the IIRIRA of 1996 [1]. It only applies to those who "make no claim to lawful permanent resident status, and do not seek asylum or express a fear of persecution." It requires specific procedures be followed that are absolutely not being followed by ICE right now. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedited_removal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedited_removal
    - conartist6 1y ago
      If you're not willing to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States then you don't really deserve its protections for yourself, I think.