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This is what Canada mostly does and it’s super effective, the problem is that the people who employ illegal immigrants: farmers, construction contractors, hotel

This is what Canada mostly does and it’s super effective, the problem is that the people who employ illegal immigrants: farmers, construction contractors, hotel owners, etc…belong to the same party pushing against illegal immigration, they would basically be punishing themselves, so it isn’t going to happen.

Symmetry 1y ago
I think the real reason is that Trump feels that the illegal immigration issue generates votes for him so actually solving it is the last thing he wants to do.
- lazide 1y ago
  This has been true of every major policy ‘lock in’ topic for both parties for at least a decade, if not more. Gun control, abortion, immigration (legal and illegal), taxation/gov’t spending, affirmative action (aka DEI), etc. Trump is really good at pushing buttons and generating outrage though. Not unexpected for a reality TV show star.
  - larrled 1y ago
    It’s sad how addicted people are to his button pushing. I’ve got an elderly family member with dementia who can’t go more than 2 hours without watching a outrage video about Trump. You know the ones on YouTube, still doing hourly updates on russiagate and other “legal analysis” around Trump prosecutions, still. She lost much of her life savings because these YouTube “experts” explained how Trump would crash the market when in actuality, from 2016 to today, the market has actually gone up. A lot. Thanks medias touch or whoever it is for destroying the sanity and financial security of so many American seniors. What a business model.
    - lostlogin 1y ago
      > She lost much of her life savings because these YouTube “experts” explained how Trump would crash the market when in actuality, from 2016 to today, the market has actually gone up. A lot. How did the market going up lose her money? The loss of potential gains?
      - lazide 1y ago
        If you read the comment carefully, it sounds like she sold early and put into things like CDs which lost money to inflation.
- InsideOutSanta 1y ago
  I'm not sure it even matters if there is an actual problem, as long as there is a perception of a problem in his voters.
FirmwareBurner 1y ago
Doesn't post-pandemic Canada have the highest rate of legal immigration in years since government gives out immigration visas like candy? I can't see how this is good in a country that already has a stagnating economy and a housing crisis. You're eroding the bargaining power of local labor and increasing competition for housing in an already tight market.
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- cmrdporcupine 1y ago
  They were slow to let off the gas pedal after the labour shortages during COVID. There's been a massive swing in the other direction now.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    What kind of labor shortages are we talking about? Isn't "muh labor shortage" just corporate propaganda for importing more cheap labor to drive down wages and increase rents? Also, isn't it completely reckless to import a lot more people in a short timespan, without the necessary housing and infrastructure (doctors, nurses, teachers, etc) to support them in the first place?
    - cmrdporcupine 1y ago
      Small businesses were having a hard time staffing stores and the like. For a short period 2021 to maybe early 2023. It's definitely not the case now. Unemployment is way up. Which I suspect is a combination of factors (slowing economy & tariffs) not just immigration. But yes, Canadian governments work for employers, not workers. Just like any other advanced capitalist country. There is an expectation that there's a "natural" unemployment rate in this country around 6%, and they freak out if it goes much lower than that. In general, when regular people are complaining about inflation they're complaining about their groceries. When you hear businesses and governments concerned about inflation .. they mean they're stressed out because minimum wage employees are demanding some basic respect that employers feel they shouldn't have to provide...
pwarner 1y ago
Exactly The aggressive raids aren't in Florida or Texas, or even California farm county, they're targeting urban areas, and getting the intended headlines.
- sam345 1y ago
  Not true.. they are doing the raids elsewhere including Texas. Florida cracked down on the state level on businessrs a year ago so not as much of a problem as far as I understand.
  - mcculley 1y ago
    Florida has not cracked down. The E-Verify mandate is limited to companies of 25 or more employees and is not enforced. DeSantis will never oppose the criminal businesses profiting from illegal labor.
    - nothercastle 1y ago
      E verify is the real crackdown. Everything else is just show
      - mcculley 1y ago
        When they mandate E-Verify universally and enforce it, we will know that they are serious. Until then, it is just a sham to keep Democrats and Trumpers distracted.
    - lotsofpulp 1y ago
      Immigration is a federal government problem. Why would a start “crack” down on something not in its jurisdiction?
      - mcculley 1y ago
        The Tenth Amendment and Chamber of Commerce v. Whiting give states the power to enforce work eligibility laws.

Symmetry 1y ago

I think the real reason is that Trump feels that the illegal immigration issue generates votes for him so actually solving it is the last thing he wants to do.

lazide 1y ago
This has been true of every major policy ‘lock in’ topic for both parties for at least a decade, if not more. Gun control, abortion, immigration (legal and illegal), taxation/gov’t spending, affirmative action (aka DEI), etc. Trump is really good at pushing buttons and generating outrage though. Not unexpected for a reality TV show star.
- larrled 1y ago
  It’s sad how addicted people are to his button pushing. I’ve got an elderly family member with dementia who can’t go more than 2 hours without watching a outrage video about Trump. You know the ones on YouTube, still doing hourly updates on russiagate and other “legal analysis” around Trump prosecutions, still. She lost much of her life savings because these YouTube “experts” explained how Trump would crash the market when in actuality, from 2016 to today, the market has actually gone up. A lot. Thanks medias touch or whoever it is for destroying the sanity and financial security of so many American seniors. What a business model.
  - lostlogin 1y ago
    > She lost much of her life savings because these YouTube “experts” explained how Trump would crash the market when in actuality, from 2016 to today, the market has actually gone up. A lot. How did the market going up lose her money? The loss of potential gains?
    - lazide 1y ago
      If you read the comment carefully, it sounds like she sold early and put into things like CDs which lost money to inflation.
InsideOutSanta 1y ago
I'm not sure it even matters if there is an actual problem, as long as there is a perception of a problem in his voters.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

Doesn't post-pandemic Canada have the highest rate of legal immigration in years since government gives out immigration visas like candy? I can't see how this is good in a country that already has a stagnating economy and a housing crisis. You're eroding the bargaining power of local labor and increasing competition for housing in an already tight market.

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cmrdporcupine 1y ago
They were slow to let off the gas pedal after the labour shortages during COVID. There's been a massive swing in the other direction now.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  What kind of labor shortages are we talking about? Isn't "muh labor shortage" just corporate propaganda for importing more cheap labor to drive down wages and increase rents? Also, isn't it completely reckless to import a lot more people in a short timespan, without the necessary housing and infrastructure (doctors, nurses, teachers, etc) to support them in the first place?
  - cmrdporcupine 1y ago
    Small businesses were having a hard time staffing stores and the like. For a short period 2021 to maybe early 2023. It's definitely not the case now. Unemployment is way up. Which I suspect is a combination of factors (slowing economy & tariffs) not just immigration. But yes, Canadian governments work for employers, not workers. Just like any other advanced capitalist country. There is an expectation that there's a "natural" unemployment rate in this country around 6%, and they freak out if it goes much lower than that. In general, when regular people are complaining about inflation they're complaining about their groceries. When you hear businesses and governments concerned about inflation .. they mean they're stressed out because minimum wage employees are demanding some basic respect that employers feel they shouldn't have to provide...

pwarner 1y ago

Exactly The aggressive raids aren't in Florida or Texas, or even California farm county, they're targeting urban areas, and getting the intended headlines.

sam345 1y ago
Not true.. they are doing the raids elsewhere including Texas. Florida cracked down on the state level on businessrs a year ago so not as much of a problem as far as I understand.
- mcculley 1y ago
  Florida has not cracked down. The E-Verify mandate is limited to companies of 25 or more employees and is not enforced. DeSantis will never oppose the criminal businesses profiting from illegal labor.
  - nothercastle 1y ago
    E verify is the real crackdown. Everything else is just show
    - mcculley 1y ago
      When they mandate E-Verify universally and enforce it, we will know that they are serious. Until then, it is just a sham to keep Democrats and Trumpers distracted.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    Immigration is a federal government problem. Why would a start “crack” down on something not in its jurisdiction?
    - mcculley 1y ago
      The Tenth Amendment and Chamber of Commerce v. Whiting give states the power to enforce work eligibility laws.