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It's terrifying, certainly. One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming

It's terrifying, certainly. One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line. https://www.yahoo.com/news/kill-l-police-attacked-fireworks-050352550.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/kill-l-police-attacked-fireworks-... Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said "you had people who were...attacking police officers, deputy sheriffs and causing a lot of destruction." The 101 Freeway shut down Sunday evening two times due to protesters on an overpass throwing rocks, debris, and firecrackers at California Highway Patrol officers and vehicles. Footage on Sunday from the CBS News Los Angeles helicopter showed that multiple windows of the police headquarters had been shattered as well. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/downtown-la-protests-looting-burned-cars-vandalism-arrests/ https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/downtown-la-protests...

pempem 1y ago
I can't overstate how absolutely separate this is from reality. Yes there are protests, largely peaceful and in a tremendously small part of Los Angeles. In fact, in terms of sheer size, its less than half the size, in sq miles, of the fires in January. Rocks / debris came after tear gas. The news has been startling in its mis-coverage.
- exodust 1y ago
  > I can't overstate... Your effort to overstate might have derailed your own reality. Don't know about you, but I could never throw a brick at anyone. I couldn't and wouldn't put a mask on and head out with the intent to burn cars, throw rocks, loot, and cause criminal damage. That is the opposite of "largely peaceful." The LAPD chief stated it's "out of control." Your attempt to imply tear gas was used on peaceful protesters doesn't fit the evidence. Many of the rioters are highly organised with supply runs of masks, fireworks and projectiles. I'm not sure what your agenda is but "accuracy" doesn't seem to be it.
  - marcus_holmes 1y ago
    I don't know about you, but I could never fire tear gas at peaceful protestors exercising their right to peacefully protest.
    - exodust 1y ago
      Do you have evidence of tear gas fired at peaceful protesters? I'm getting a Greta Thunberg "help I've been kidnapped by IDF" vibe from the tear gas claim. There's a lot of videos of the contrary - LAPD pelted with rocks by aggressive mobs who are there to fight against "nazi scum" or fight for "stolen land" as they wave every other flag than American.
      - marcus_holmes 1y ago
        All the footage I've seen and social media I've seen goes the other way: that the people watching and filming the ICE raids were then fired upon by ICE. I suspect the usual media chicanery - everyone reporting the story that their viewers want to hear. Anyway. My point was that I could not do this. If I was asked to fire teargas at a crowd who were protesting kidnapping people off the streets and taking them to concentration camps, I could not do that. I would refuse that order.
        exodust 1y ago
        > "watching and filming the ICE raids" You're posting misinformation. Tear gas is deployed when mobs surge in direct violation of orders not to, or to control violence and criminality by large crowds. Your attempt to frame it as "cops attacking peaceful onlookers" is in conflict with the evidence available.
        marcus_holmes 1y ago
        Citation needed. I'm seeing videos of folks saying that ICE started it all. Aljazeera is pretty good with unbiased coverage, and it doesn't lay the blame one way or the other [0]. It just says "(LAPD) declared the area an unlawful assembly, deployed tear gas, issued tactical alerts and made several arrests." I would still read that as the cops fired first. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/11/how-the-los-angeles-protests-unfolded-a-visual-guide https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/11/how-the-los-angeles...
- Gareth321 1y ago
  > Yes there are protests, largely peaceful and in a tremendously small part of Los Angeles. Firey but mostly peaceful protests are happening all over again. No, burning down cities is not peaceful. After just a few days, at least five officers, several journalists, and we don't know how many rioters have been injured so far. We don't yet have estimates of property damage, but tens of millions would be conservative. Similar riots have resulted in hundreds of millions in damages. When the right does this, we call it what it is: violent riots. We acknowledge it's wrong to attempt to prevent the government carrying out its the duties it was democratically elected to carry out. We should hold that standard to the left as well. These rioters are anti-democratic.
  - justinrubek 1y ago
    Apparently we don't call it that when the right does it. It's only the "Radical Left" that actually gets these labels. And the tear gas comes first.
    - Gareth321 1y ago
      Well we should. American politics needs more integrity and consistency. Politics as a team sport is destroying the country.
  - pempem 1y ago
    I think you've missed what the protest is. People are against the government action they are using the first amendment -- which is part of what makes america great -- to say they are against it. You can say, rightly, there's a car on fire. You can also say the police shot at a journalist. "burning down cities" would however be incorrect, as the person who literally lives here I can tell you that it is not happening.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    What happens is that these protests start off very peaceful and then they become riots because the police make it so. What you, and other's, need to understand is that the police have absolutely no mechanism to de-escalate anything. It's a concept completely foreign to American policing. As soon as the police are involved, the situation deteriorates rapidly. For instance, almost all (95%+) of the BLM protests were completely peaceful. No violence or property damage. You wouldn't get that impression from the news. But, of the ones that did turn violent, every time the violence BEGAN with police overstepping. Pushing protestors, or shooting them, or throwing gas. And then, obviously, the situation deteriorates.
darksaints 1y ago
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esseph 1y ago
What would you do if friends and family and neighbors of yours for years, even decades, were pulled from their homes, places of work and worship, schools, etc? Once the state sets its eyes on enemies, it doesn't stop adding to that list. Use of the tools and techniques in place right now will continue to be used, and against "legal" citizens. I worry how we turn the corner. I don't like what history says.
- curtisblaine 1y ago
  > What would you do if friends and family and neighbors of yours for years, even decades, were pulled from their homes, places of work and worship, schools, etc? This was always a well-understood risk though.
  - 8note 1y ago
    where is that in the US constitution? the part where it says anyone might be pulled from their homes?
    - curtisblaine 1y ago
      If you are an illegal alien you can be detained by virtue of being in the US illegally, that's my understanding.
      - hparadiz 1y ago
        This concept hinges on everyone walking around with ID at all times. If you don't have it on you we'll throw you into a concrete box for 8 hours while we sort it out. Cool? Oh you were a home birth in Wisconsin you say? Sounds vaguely Canadian. This is why the 4th amendment exists. It is my favorite amendment. I wish people would take it more seriously.
        curtisblaine 1y ago
        As far as I understand, people are ID'd all the time in US. If police stops you, they will ask for an identification document; if you don't have it, they will ask for your SSN and if you can't remember it, they will run your name and address until they match you with a photo id on their systems. In the meanwhile, you're detained and you're not free to leave. Immigration aside, how are they supposed to identify you?
gamblor956 1y ago
LAPD on Sunday night live with NBC 4 Los Angeles confirmed that most of the Sunday night looters were arrested. They also confirmed that most of the looters were part of a retail-theft gang attempting to use the protests as cover, and that at least one of the looters was actually a far-right-wing activist (unsuccessfully) attempting to stage a false flag operation to justify the use of military force.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > LAPD on Sunday night live with NBC 4 Los Angeles confirmed that most of the Sunday night looters were arrested I trust this is true. But the comment would be stronger with a source.
  - defrost 1y ago
    A combined 42 arrests were made by the Los Angeles Police Department, California Highway Patrol and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, the LAPD said early Monday. Alleged crimes included attempted murder, looting, arson, failure to disperse, assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer and other offenses. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/la-protests-arrests/3718945/ https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/la-protests-arrests... is one source, others may have more or less detail. It supports arrests being made wrt looting, not the assertion that most of the looters were arrested.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line So less violence towards law enforcement and insurrection than January 6th. Action the President endorsed in January by issuing pardons. Honestly, if a Democrat were to match Trump's energy, they'd be promising pardons to protesters who damaged ICE property or torched a Trump property. They're not. In part because they're rudderless. But also because they're still gripped by the notion that we're not in the midst of a coup.
- philwelch 1y ago
  I like how the federal government actually enforcing federal law is a “coup” to you. If Trump wanted to match Democrat energy he would declare the LA riots an insurrection and devote 40% of the FBI to identifying, rounding up, and imprisoning all of the protestors.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > the federal government actually enforcing federal law is a “coup” to you The Marines aren’t enforcing squat. That’s on ICE and the LAPD, the only ones doing the arresting. > he would declare the LA riots an insurrection and devote 40% of the FBI to identifying, rounding up, and imprisoning all of the protestors If they broke into a federal building? Absolutely.
    - philwelch 1y ago
      > The Marines aren’t enforcing squat. You’re the one hyperventilating about a “coup”; do you care to clarify what you actually meant by that or should I just write it off as a paranoid delusion?
  - mrguyorama 1y ago
    You don't get to ignore Everyone's right to due process and then insist you are enforcing federal law. ICE is not enforcing federal law by ignoring the constitution.
scott_w 1y ago
Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms. Note that Trump's DoD did not seem to be in a hurry to deploy the National Guard on 6th January, despite multiple requests to do so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_response_to_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_response_to_th...
- Gareth321 1y ago
  > Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms. My understanding is that the National Guard are being deployed because ICE is being impeded from carrying out their operations. If California were allowed to constructively block the Federal government from carrying out policy of democratically elected administrations, that would be effectively a declaration of secession. Hundreds of years of precedent has made it clear that states are subordinate to the Federal government.
  - scott_w 1y ago
    > My understanding is that the National Guard are being deployed because ICE is being impeded from carrying out their operations. If California were allowed to constructively block the Federal government from carrying out policy of democratically elected administrations, that would be effectively a declaration of secession. The California government are not blocking the Federal government from carrying out ICE raids. If you believe otherwise, please show the evidence that Trump has presented.
    - Gareth321 1y ago
      California has decided not to prevent the rioters from impeding federal enforcement officers. This forces the Federal government to use Federal resources.
int_19h 1y ago
I remember back in 2013 in Ukraine, when the government tried to violently disperse the protesters on Maidan, they didn't just throw molotovs - they built a catapult to throw them further. And they burned down several APCs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzdkzpQRaAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzdkzpQRaAM And you know what? They were justified.

pempem 1y ago

I can't overstate how absolutely separate this is from reality. Yes there are protests, largely peaceful and in a tremendously small part of Los Angeles. In fact, in terms of sheer size, its less than half the size, in sq miles, of the fires in January. Rocks / debris came after tear gas. The news has been startling in its mis-coverage.

exodust 1y ago
> I can't overstate... Your effort to overstate might have derailed your own reality. Don't know about you, but I could never throw a brick at anyone. I couldn't and wouldn't put a mask on and head out with the intent to burn cars, throw rocks, loot, and cause criminal damage. That is the opposite of "largely peaceful." The LAPD chief stated it's "out of control." Your attempt to imply tear gas was used on peaceful protesters doesn't fit the evidence. Many of the rioters are highly organised with supply runs of masks, fireworks and projectiles. I'm not sure what your agenda is but "accuracy" doesn't seem to be it.
- marcus_holmes 1y ago
  I don't know about you, but I could never fire tear gas at peaceful protestors exercising their right to peacefully protest.
  - exodust 1y ago
    Do you have evidence of tear gas fired at peaceful protesters? I'm getting a Greta Thunberg "help I've been kidnapped by IDF" vibe from the tear gas claim. There's a lot of videos of the contrary - LAPD pelted with rocks by aggressive mobs who are there to fight against "nazi scum" or fight for "stolen land" as they wave every other flag than American.
    - marcus_holmes 1y ago
      All the footage I've seen and social media I've seen goes the other way: that the people watching and filming the ICE raids were then fired upon by ICE. I suspect the usual media chicanery - everyone reporting the story that their viewers want to hear. Anyway. My point was that I could not do this. If I was asked to fire teargas at a crowd who were protesting kidnapping people off the streets and taking them to concentration camps, I could not do that. I would refuse that order.
      - exodust 1y ago
        > "watching and filming the ICE raids" You're posting misinformation. Tear gas is deployed when mobs surge in direct violation of orders not to, or to control violence and criminality by large crowds. Your attempt to frame it as "cops attacking peaceful onlookers" is in conflict with the evidence available.
        marcus_holmes 1y ago
        Citation needed. I'm seeing videos of folks saying that ICE started it all. Aljazeera is pretty good with unbiased coverage, and it doesn't lay the blame one way or the other [0]. It just says "(LAPD) declared the area an unlawful assembly, deployed tear gas, issued tactical alerts and made several arrests." I would still read that as the cops fired first. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/11/how-the-los-angeles-protests-unfolded-a-visual-guide https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/11/how-the-los-angeles...
Gareth321 1y ago
> Yes there are protests, largely peaceful and in a tremendously small part of Los Angeles. Firey but mostly peaceful protests are happening all over again. No, burning down cities is not peaceful. After just a few days, at least five officers, several journalists, and we don't know how many rioters have been injured so far. We don't yet have estimates of property damage, but tens of millions would be conservative. Similar riots have resulted in hundreds of millions in damages. When the right does this, we call it what it is: violent riots. We acknowledge it's wrong to attempt to prevent the government carrying out its the duties it was democratically elected to carry out. We should hold that standard to the left as well. These rioters are anti-democratic.
- justinrubek 1y ago
  Apparently we don't call it that when the right does it. It's only the "Radical Left" that actually gets these labels. And the tear gas comes first.
  - Gareth321 1y ago
    Well we should. American politics needs more integrity and consistency. Politics as a team sport is destroying the country.
- pempem 1y ago
  I think you've missed what the protest is. People are against the government action they are using the first amendment -- which is part of what makes america great -- to say they are against it. You can say, rightly, there's a car on fire. You can also say the police shot at a journalist. "burning down cities" would however be incorrect, as the person who literally lives here I can tell you that it is not happening.
- const_cast 1y ago
  What happens is that these protests start off very peaceful and then they become riots because the police make it so. What you, and other's, need to understand is that the police have absolutely no mechanism to de-escalate anything. It's a concept completely foreign to American policing. As soon as the police are involved, the situation deteriorates rapidly. For instance, almost all (95%+) of the BLM protests were completely peaceful. No violence or property damage. You wouldn't get that impression from the news. But, of the ones that did turn violent, every time the violence BEGAN with police overstepping. Pushing protestors, or shooting them, or throwing gas. And then, obviously, the situation deteriorates.

darksaints 1y ago

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esseph 1y ago

What would you do if friends and family and neighbors of yours for years, even decades, were pulled from their homes, places of work and worship, schools, etc? Once the state sets its eyes on enemies, it doesn't stop adding to that list. Use of the tools and techniques in place right now will continue to be used, and against "legal" citizens. I worry how we turn the corner. I don't like what history says.

curtisblaine 1y ago
> What would you do if friends and family and neighbors of yours for years, even decades, were pulled from their homes, places of work and worship, schools, etc? This was always a well-understood risk though.
- 8note 1y ago
  where is that in the US constitution? the part where it says anyone might be pulled from their homes?
  - curtisblaine 1y ago
    If you are an illegal alien you can be detained by virtue of being in the US illegally, that's my understanding.
    - hparadiz 1y ago
      This concept hinges on everyone walking around with ID at all times. If you don't have it on you we'll throw you into a concrete box for 8 hours while we sort it out. Cool? Oh you were a home birth in Wisconsin you say? Sounds vaguely Canadian. This is why the 4th amendment exists. It is my favorite amendment. I wish people would take it more seriously.
      - curtisblaine 1y ago
        As far as I understand, people are ID'd all the time in US. If police stops you, they will ask for an identification document; if you don't have it, they will ask for your SSN and if you can't remember it, they will run your name and address until they match you with a photo id on their systems. In the meanwhile, you're detained and you're not free to leave. Immigration aside, how are they supposed to identify you?

gamblor956 1y ago

LAPD on Sunday night live with NBC 4 Los Angeles confirmed that most of the Sunday night looters were arrested. They also confirmed that most of the looters were part of a retail-theft gang attempting to use the protests as cover, and that at least one of the looters was actually a far-right-wing activist (unsuccessfully) attempting to stage a false flag operation to justify the use of military force.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> LAPD on Sunday night live with NBC 4 Los Angeles confirmed that most of the Sunday night looters were arrested I trust this is true. But the comment would be stronger with a source.
- defrost 1y ago
  A combined 42 arrests were made by the Los Angeles Police Department, California Highway Patrol and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, the LAPD said early Monday. Alleged crimes included attempted murder, looting, arson, failure to disperse, assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer and other offenses. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/la-protests-arrests/3718945/ https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/la-protests-arrests... is one source, others may have more or less detail. It supports arrests being made wrt looting, not the assertion that most of the looters were arrested.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line So less violence towards law enforcement and insurrection than January 6th. Action the President endorsed in January by issuing pardons. Honestly, if a Democrat were to match Trump's energy, they'd be promising pardons to protesters who damaged ICE property or torched a Trump property. They're not. In part because they're rudderless. But also because they're still gripped by the notion that we're not in the midst of a coup.

philwelch 1y ago
I like how the federal government actually enforcing federal law is a “coup” to you. If Trump wanted to match Democrat energy he would declare the LA riots an insurrection and devote 40% of the FBI to identifying, rounding up, and imprisoning all of the protestors.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > the federal government actually enforcing federal law is a “coup” to you The Marines aren’t enforcing squat. That’s on ICE and the LAPD, the only ones doing the arresting. > he would declare the LA riots an insurrection and devote 40% of the FBI to identifying, rounding up, and imprisoning all of the protestors If they broke into a federal building? Absolutely.
  - philwelch 1y ago
    > The Marines aren’t enforcing squat. You’re the one hyperventilating about a “coup”; do you care to clarify what you actually meant by that or should I just write it off as a paranoid delusion?
- mrguyorama 1y ago
  You don't get to ignore Everyone's right to due process and then insist you are enforcing federal law. ICE is not enforcing federal law by ignoring the constitution.

scott_w 1y ago

Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms. Note that Trump's DoD did not seem to be in a hurry to deploy the National Guard on 6th January, despite multiple requests to do so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_response_to_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_response_to_th...

Gareth321 1y ago
> Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms. My understanding is that the National Guard are being deployed because ICE is being impeded from carrying out their operations. If California were allowed to constructively block the Federal government from carrying out policy of democratically elected administrations, that would be effectively a declaration of secession. Hundreds of years of precedent has made it clear that states are subordinate to the Federal government.
- scott_w 1y ago
  > My understanding is that the National Guard are being deployed because ICE is being impeded from carrying out their operations. If California were allowed to constructively block the Federal government from carrying out policy of democratically elected administrations, that would be effectively a declaration of secession. The California government are not blocking the Federal government from carrying out ICE raids. If you believe otherwise, please show the evidence that Trump has presented.
  - Gareth321 1y ago
    California has decided not to prevent the rioters from impeding federal enforcement officers. This forces the Federal government to use Federal resources.

int_19h 1y ago

I remember back in 2013 in Ukraine, when the government tried to violently disperse the protesters on Maidan, they didn't just throw molotovs - they built a catapult to throw them further. And they burned down several APCs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzdkzpQRaAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzdkzpQRaAM And you know what? They were justified.