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It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical la

by ivape 1y ago

It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on.

motorest 1y ago
> It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on. From an outsider's view, everything looks so performative and fabricated to be consumed by a tv target audience. I mean, if there is so much illegal immigration in the US, is it the most effective use of resources to target a TV cliche that would gather a residual number of people?
- monster_truck 1y ago
  I've often felt the same way as an insider. It's beyond a parody of itself.
- k1t 1y ago
  Presumably it's just this meeting, filtering down the ranks: So in late May, Stephen Miller, a top White House aide and the architect of the president’s immigration agenda, addressed a meeting at the headquarters of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE. The message was clear: The president, who promised to deport millions of immigrants living in the country illegally, wasn’t pleased. The agency had better step it up. Gang members and violent criminals, what Trump called the “worst of the worst,” weren’t the sole target of deportations. Federal agents needed to “just go out there and arrest illegal aliens,” Miller told top ICE officials, who had come from across the U.S., according to people familiar with the meeting. Agents didn’t need to develop target lists of immigrants suspected of being in the U.S. illegally, a longstanding practice, Miller said. Instead, he directed them to target Home Depot, where day laborers typically gather for hire, or 7-Eleven convenience stores. Miller bet that he and a handful of agents could go out on the streets of Washington, D.C., and arrest 30 people right away. https://www.wsj.com/us-news/protests-los-angeles-immigrants-trump-f5089877?st=oevETr&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink https://www.wsj.com/us-news/protests-los-angeles-immigrants-...
  - ty6853 1y ago
    Miller is an excellent, quick witted entertainment and speech writer in his own way. What's astonishing is using what is essentially an entertainer for high level strategy.
    - fakedang 1y ago
      Tbf this entire administration is a circus full of entertainers from the top down. It's like these guys are taking notes from a Mexican soap opera, ironically.
    - motorest 1y ago
      > What's astonishing is using what is essentially an entertainer for high level strategy. I think this makes it even scarier. This means the goal is clearly not establishing sound policy, but to output propaganda that is designed to be easily consumed by TV audiences. It is beyond reality because it is not designed to make sense, it is designed to make sense to TV consumers by feeding on the context they get from their TV tropes. The Mexicans hanging around in Home Depots is a TV cliche that's recognized by people living wel beyond any Home Depot.
    - pjc50 1y ago
      People voted for the entertainment. They want to see some brown people getting violence meted out to them. It's the deep sickness of racism all the way up, especially Miller.
- DidYaWipe 1y ago
  That's just one of many problems with this whole lie. The best is Trump crowing about historically low unemployment numbers, and then peddling hysteria about illegals "taking American jobs." None of his degenerate followers care that this argument is stupid, and calls them stupid. Now it's been papered over with other excuses, like the mythical "fentanyl" that's pouring in from Canada.
  - ivape 1y ago
    Trump is not a demagogue. He appears like he is, but that is a misconception. He actually hates immigrants.
- hparadiz 1y ago
  They hate poor people. The wealthy undocumented people are sitting at home in their legal son or daughter's house watching the kids without a care in the world. The ones getting caught up in this are the ones that can't lay low for a while.
  - motorest 1y ago
    [flagged]
  - intended 1y ago
    Nope. They is doing lots and lots of heavy lifting here. At the same time things are very confusing, because it seems like your fellow American is out for blood in a manner that shows no humanity. Your fellow American on the right is plugged into a Matrix that traffics in its own narratives and can now freely manufacture or amplify its own fringe facts and narratives. They are actually fighting very hard for the soul of america - as they see it. Virtuous efforts to stop the villainy and stupidity of the venomous yet weak liberals, leftists and democrats. There’s a system in place to manufacture narratives, the closest analogy would be wrestling - except the President doesn’t treat it as fiction, he acts as if it’s real. And since you can make and sell narratives incredibly quickly, while facts and analysis are days of effort - well, you have a structural change to the market place of ideas. It happens everywhere in democracies now. See Brexit - entirely predictable. Yet completely unable to “sell” the known and clear problems to a majority of the citizenry. Same with tariffs. There’s a floor to people’s capability in navigating our current information environments - and partisan groups of experts are happy to use it to their advantage. The problem began empirically with conservative positions, but the efficacy of the technique has now created its own political force.
    - PleasureBot 1y ago
      The wrestling analogy is exactly how I feel watching Trump since 2016. I feel like I am watching WWE wrestling, and it is obviously fake. The actors are not actually fighting. Except half the country is completely convinced that it is real. Its hard to find common ground or even explain why I think it is fake, because it feels like it would be self-evident to anyone over the age of 12.
- jimbohn 1y ago
  To me, it's every day more apparent that democracies are transitioning into mediocracies. Everything is performative, real results do not matter. It's not a coincidence that this administration has a bunch of TV personalities in it, including the president. Influencers are the new ruling class because the opinion of every m**n permanently glued to their phone is valid (i.e. a vote)
  - motorest 1y ago
    > To me, it's every day more apparent that democracies are transitioning into mediocracies. Everything is performative, real results do not matter. I think the whole point of these stupid stunts is to mobilize the base and distract critics. Your random redneck racist might feel strongly about the Hollywood caricature of Mexicans wearing sombreros at a Home Depot parking lot, but the truth of the matter is that Trump is mobilizing the US armed forces against a governor's will while threatening him with imprisonment.
    - AStonesThrow 1y ago
      [dead]
  - msgodel 1y ago
    Late stage democracy
zippyman55 1y ago
Only three people seeking work outside HD. Hope they raise their salary demands.
labster 1y ago
You have to target the immigrants who work hard, just so we can eventually prove Trump right when he says all of the immigrants are lazy and take our welfare entitlements. The remainder will be poorer, that’s just math. Whether it’s good public policy is neither here nor there, so long as our Leader is right.
King-Aaron 1y ago
They raided a school during their graduation ceremony to haul away parents of children receiving their graduations.
- tejohnso 1y ago
  It would save a ton of effort and lives if illegals would self deport. So, maybe they're adding in a lot of intimidation to try to increase the self deportation rate?
curtisblaine 1y ago
I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying ICE should deport on.. merit basis? Leave the hardest working immigrants be and deport the lazy ones?
- runlevel1 1y ago
  Trump repeatedly said the administration would be targeting 'violent criminals and rapists', 'gang members', and 'heinous monsters' first. So, you know, maybe they could try to do what they said they'd do for once?
  - lipowitz 1y ago
    The US is obsessed with precedence so doing something correctly once would ruin their exemption.
  - curtisblaine 1y ago
    I don't understand what are you proposing in practice. Should ICE discover illegal immigrants and let them go if they're not heinous enough?
    - justinrubek 1y ago
      They've stated themselves that they don't have the resources for due process in all of these cases. So, yes. That is precisely what they should do. They can stop putting effort and resources into pointless ones and actually do their job.
      - curtisblaine 1y ago
        So now they have not only to determine a person is an illegal alien; on top of that, you want them to somehow determine who is "heinous" and who is "good"? It seems a lot more work, considering the fact that there's no objective scale for "being heinous" (what do you do? You ask their friends?) but there's a reasonably objective way of telling if a person is illegaly residing in US or not.
Amezarak 1y ago
This is exactly where they should raid. I have a lot of friends and family that work construction. Illegal immigration has absolutely destroyed the construction labor market by undercutting wages. People should be a fair wage for their work. We shouldn't promote pushing wages down by importing more people, especially desperate people.
- bix6 1y ago
  Maybe you should take a look at what Private Equity has done to construction before blaming day laborers at Home Depot.
  - Amezarak 1y ago
    I oppose private equity consolidation too, this is not an either/or proposition, but that’s not the biggest factor that’s impacted construction labor these past few decades.
typeofhuman 1y ago
Where's you heart for the hard working black men who are disproportionately impacted by illegal immigration?

by ivape 1y ago

motorest 1y ago

> It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on. From an outsider's view, everything looks so performative and fabricated to be consumed by a tv target audience. I mean, if there is so much illegal immigration in the US, is it the most effective use of resources to target a TV cliche that would gather a residual number of people?

monster_truck 1y ago
I've often felt the same way as an insider. It's beyond a parody of itself.
k1t 1y ago
Presumably it's just this meeting, filtering down the ranks: So in late May, Stephen Miller, a top White House aide and the architect of the president’s immigration agenda, addressed a meeting at the headquarters of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE. The message was clear: The president, who promised to deport millions of immigrants living in the country illegally, wasn’t pleased. The agency had better step it up. Gang members and violent criminals, what Trump called the “worst of the worst,” weren’t the sole target of deportations. Federal agents needed to “just go out there and arrest illegal aliens,” Miller told top ICE officials, who had come from across the U.S., according to people familiar with the meeting. Agents didn’t need to develop target lists of immigrants suspected of being in the U.S. illegally, a longstanding practice, Miller said. Instead, he directed them to target Home Depot, where day laborers typically gather for hire, or 7-Eleven convenience stores. Miller bet that he and a handful of agents could go out on the streets of Washington, D.C., and arrest 30 people right away. https://www.wsj.com/us-news/protests-los-angeles-immigrants-trump-f5089877?st=oevETr&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink https://www.wsj.com/us-news/protests-los-angeles-immigrants-...
- ty6853 1y ago
  Miller is an excellent, quick witted entertainment and speech writer in his own way. What's astonishing is using what is essentially an entertainer for high level strategy.
  - fakedang 1y ago
    Tbf this entire administration is a circus full of entertainers from the top down. It's like these guys are taking notes from a Mexican soap opera, ironically.
  - motorest 1y ago
    > What's astonishing is using what is essentially an entertainer for high level strategy. I think this makes it even scarier. This means the goal is clearly not establishing sound policy, but to output propaganda that is designed to be easily consumed by TV audiences. It is beyond reality because it is not designed to make sense, it is designed to make sense to TV consumers by feeding on the context they get from their TV tropes. The Mexicans hanging around in Home Depots is a TV cliche that's recognized by people living wel beyond any Home Depot.
  - pjc50 1y ago
    People voted for the entertainment. They want to see some brown people getting violence meted out to them. It's the deep sickness of racism all the way up, especially Miller.
DidYaWipe 1y ago
That's just one of many problems with this whole lie. The best is Trump crowing about historically low unemployment numbers, and then peddling hysteria about illegals "taking American jobs." None of his degenerate followers care that this argument is stupid, and calls them stupid. Now it's been papered over with other excuses, like the mythical "fentanyl" that's pouring in from Canada.
- ivape 1y ago
  Trump is not a demagogue. He appears like he is, but that is a misconception. He actually hates immigrants.
hparadiz 1y ago
They hate poor people. The wealthy undocumented people are sitting at home in their legal son or daughter's house watching the kids without a care in the world. The ones getting caught up in this are the ones that can't lay low for a while.
- motorest 1y ago
  [flagged]
- intended 1y ago
  Nope. They is doing lots and lots of heavy lifting here. At the same time things are very confusing, because it seems like your fellow American is out for blood in a manner that shows no humanity. Your fellow American on the right is plugged into a Matrix that traffics in its own narratives and can now freely manufacture or amplify its own fringe facts and narratives. They are actually fighting very hard for the soul of america - as they see it. Virtuous efforts to stop the villainy and stupidity of the venomous yet weak liberals, leftists and democrats. There’s a system in place to manufacture narratives, the closest analogy would be wrestling - except the President doesn’t treat it as fiction, he acts as if it’s real. And since you can make and sell narratives incredibly quickly, while facts and analysis are days of effort - well, you have a structural change to the market place of ideas. It happens everywhere in democracies now. See Brexit - entirely predictable. Yet completely unable to “sell” the known and clear problems to a majority of the citizenry. Same with tariffs. There’s a floor to people’s capability in navigating our current information environments - and partisan groups of experts are happy to use it to their advantage. The problem began empirically with conservative positions, but the efficacy of the technique has now created its own political force.
  - PleasureBot 1y ago
    The wrestling analogy is exactly how I feel watching Trump since 2016. I feel like I am watching WWE wrestling, and it is obviously fake. The actors are not actually fighting. Except half the country is completely convinced that it is real. Its hard to find common ground or even explain why I think it is fake, because it feels like it would be self-evident to anyone over the age of 12.
jimbohn 1y ago
To me, it's every day more apparent that democracies are transitioning into mediocracies. Everything is performative, real results do not matter. It's not a coincidence that this administration has a bunch of TV personalities in it, including the president. Influencers are the new ruling class because the opinion of every m**n permanently glued to their phone is valid (i.e. a vote)
- motorest 1y ago
  > To me, it's every day more apparent that democracies are transitioning into mediocracies. Everything is performative, real results do not matter. I think the whole point of these stupid stunts is to mobilize the base and distract critics. Your random redneck racist might feel strongly about the Hollywood caricature of Mexicans wearing sombreros at a Home Depot parking lot, but the truth of the matter is that Trump is mobilizing the US armed forces against a governor's will while threatening him with imprisonment.
  - AStonesThrow 1y ago
    [dead]
- msgodel 1y ago
  Late stage democracy

zippyman55 1y ago

Only three people seeking work outside HD. Hope they raise their salary demands.

labster 1y ago

You have to target the immigrants who work hard, just so we can eventually prove Trump right when he says all of the immigrants are lazy and take our welfare entitlements. The remainder will be poorer, that’s just math. Whether it’s good public policy is neither here nor there, so long as our Leader is right.

King-Aaron 1y ago

They raided a school during their graduation ceremony to haul away parents of children receiving their graduations.

tejohnso 1y ago
It would save a ton of effort and lives if illegals would self deport. So, maybe they're adding in a lot of intimidation to try to increase the self deportation rate?

curtisblaine 1y ago

I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying ICE should deport on.. merit basis? Leave the hardest working immigrants be and deport the lazy ones?

runlevel1 1y ago
Trump repeatedly said the administration would be targeting 'violent criminals and rapists', 'gang members', and 'heinous monsters' first. So, you know, maybe they could try to do what they said they'd do for once?
- lipowitz 1y ago
  The US is obsessed with precedence so doing something correctly once would ruin their exemption.
- curtisblaine 1y ago
  I don't understand what are you proposing in practice. Should ICE discover illegal immigrants and let them go if they're not heinous enough?
  - justinrubek 1y ago
    They've stated themselves that they don't have the resources for due process in all of these cases. So, yes. That is precisely what they should do. They can stop putting effort and resources into pointless ones and actually do their job.
    - curtisblaine 1y ago
      So now they have not only to determine a person is an illegal alien; on top of that, you want them to somehow determine who is "heinous" and who is "good"? It seems a lot more work, considering the fact that there's no objective scale for "being heinous" (what do you do? You ask their friends?) but there's a reasonably objective way of telling if a person is illegaly residing in US or not.

Amezarak 1y ago

This is exactly where they should raid. I have a lot of friends and family that work construction. Illegal immigration has absolutely destroyed the construction labor market by undercutting wages. People should be a fair wage for their work. We shouldn't promote pushing wages down by importing more people, especially desperate people.

bix6 1y ago
Maybe you should take a look at what Private Equity has done to construction before blaming day laborers at Home Depot.
- Amezarak 1y ago
  I oppose private equity consolidation too, this is not an either/or proposition, but that’s not the biggest factor that’s impacted construction labor these past few decades.

typeofhuman 1y ago

Where's you heart for the hard working black men who are disproportionately impacted by illegal immigration?