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I'm not american but I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too. Funny that if it's so bad to deploy them, why is it OK to depl

by vasco 1y ago

I'm not american but I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too. Funny that if it's so bad to deploy them, why is it OK to deploy them in other countries?

bolster8505 1y ago
Being deployed to help in a disaster is very different from being deployed to quell protests.
- MaxHoppersGhost 1y ago
  They're not being deployed to quell protests they're being deployed to guard federal buildings from protesters.
  - aceazzameen 1y ago
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    - MaxHoppersGhost 1y ago
      ICE agents are deporting people here illegally. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
      - unsnap_biceps 1y ago
        The deportation isn't the problem. It's how they're being done. Due process is core to our democracy and must be respected and followed, regardless of who. Court orders are being ignored. I have zero problem with deporting people that are here illegally. I have plenty of problems with how it's currently being done.
        curtisblaine 1y ago
        > Court orders are being ignored Can you expand on this? If you are referring to the AEA, as far as I know that’s not what is being used in LA.
        sapphicsnail 1y ago
        Kinda seems like they're randomly grabbing people and shipping them to Mexico right now. Their MO so far has been to round up people, including people who are here legally, and deport them without due process. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/09/los-angeles-immigration-raids-detained https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/09/los-angeles-...
      - 4MOAisgoodenuf 1y ago
        The Gestapo simply detained people who were breaking the law.
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      - andrewshadura 1y ago
        Freedom of movement is a basic human right.
        lurk2 1y ago
        Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights asserts that: "Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state." "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." Note that this affords the freedom to relocate within, leave, and return to one’s country, not the freedom to enter into other countries in violation of their immigration laws.
      - Rodeoclash 1y ago
        Yes, the classic "if it's legal, it's moral" position. It was also legal to turn in Anne Frank.
      - aceazzameen 1y ago
        This tells me a lot about you. You purposefully ignore the "how."
      - edoceo 1y ago
        ICE is deporting folks before due process - a right guaranteed to all persons on US soil by amendment to the US Constitution. That is against the laws of the USA.
        fuzzfactor 1y ago
        >ICE agents are deporting people here illegally. Well in a Freudian way this statement could be interpreted to exactly mean that what ICE is doing is illegal.
      - fnordpiglet 1y ago
        I would note they aren’t guilty of a crime - it’s a civil infraction. “Illegal” is a pejorative used to imply criminality, being an undocumented immigrant is not in fact criminal or a crime. The issue however that prompted the protests was the way they are pursuing deportations with militarized tactics, brutality, and snatching people off the streets as abductions. They do not declare themselves, do not present their civil warrant, do not produce identification, and subsequently frequently do not follow laws, regulation, or the constitutional requirements of due process. There is no reason that their neighbors, family, and friends need to be happy with what’s happening. They are afforded protection in our society to be angry and disclaim the government without fear of persecution or prosecution. When they’re then persecuted and prosecuted for doing that, people are pissed by the injustice. Then when their governments responsible is to fly in the military, you should expect an explosive situation. Indeed it seems pretty clear the explosive situation was premeditated and planned - using armored vehicles and riot armored police to invade immigrant neighborhoods and abduct service workers and day laborers in broad daylight when a simple standard ICE operation was clearly designed to provoke strong response in those neighborhoods. Everything after that has been pretty deductively arrived at to create this precise situation. Even the language of insurrection and rebellion - laughably absurd claims for even a riot - which hadn’t happened until the national guard were deployed - are carefully chosen words to provide pretext for what comes next. I desperate miss the states rights individual freedoms libertarian leaning republicans. They would never have done these things.
        antonvs 1y ago
        > The issue however that prompted the protests was the way they are pursuing deportations with militarized tactics, brutality, and snatching people off the streets as abductions. Also that they’re going after many people who are actually attempting to comply with the law, because those are the easiest to find. Meanwhile tens of millions of undocumented immigrants are still here, and the lesson they’re being taught is don’t trust the legal process, stay under the radar. In the end the Trump administration is unlikely to make a large dent in the undocumented population - they certainly haven’t so far. It’s mostly theater. They’ll just end up discovering how unintended consequences work.
      - gamblor956 1y ago
        ICE agents are also deporting a lot of people here legally. Just last week: they attempted to deport and ban the wife of a U.S. soldier visiting her husband on leave with a valid tourist visa ; several U.S. citizens working for at the Westlake Home Depot despite being shown proof of citizenship; a U.S. Marshall of Mexican descent who was born in the country to legal residents. That doesn't include the hundreds of students legally here on student visas. And of course, if ICE is going to deport people in the country illegally: it's well establish by now that Musk and Melania violated the terms of their nonresident visas when they first came to the U.S., rendering their U.S. citizenship null and void (Musk worked in violation of his student visa; Melania both worked in violation of her tourist visa and overstayed her visa by several years; if she hadn't married Trump she would have been deported and banned from the U.S. for 10 years).
      - freejazz 1y ago
        Are they? What about the ones that aren't here illegally? Trump told the Supreme Court that Kilmar Garcia was wrongfully deported, but they had no obligation to bring him back anyway. Is that what you are talking about?
    - lurk2 1y ago
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  - margalabargala 1y ago
    That's not really relevant to the disaster remediation point. They are being deployed on American soil for their force projection.
  - vkou 1y ago
    How will any outside observe be able to tell the difference between them 'guarding federal buildings' and them being deployed to attack political enemies of the regime? Will a useful idiot throwing a rock at a federal building be sufficient casus belli for the latter?
- ty6853 1y ago
  Lol at Katrina the police and guard were going door to door confiscating arms of occupied homes in blatant violation of the second amendment. There is a video if a guardsman bragging about something to the effect 'hoping he doesn't have to smoke someone coming around a corner." As it turns out when you send a force trained only to kill and subjugate, that's what they do. A few guardsman stood down but most did not.
  - rascul 1y ago
    National guard are also trained to assist in disaster relief and humanitarian efforts. They did a lot of that after Katrina.
- billfor 1y ago
  They have been used in the past to quell protests (in LA), by Bush the senior in 1992. Actually he sent in more than the current number.
bix6 1y ago
National Guard and Army Corps of Engineers are often deployed in disasters to help. This is the opposite and the governor of California specifically did not request this so Trump usurped his authority.
dylan604 1y ago
Their job is to be deployed internationally and specifically not to be deployed domestically. That's why it's so appalling.
- rixed 1y ago
  It's also appealing each time they are deployed internationally, but to "others".
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    Yes. The American President is supposed to look out for Americans. First. That's what Trump was elected to do. Not trash out economy at the global and local levels.
    - jaoane 1y ago
      Looking out for Americans is precisely what he's doing by deporting illegals. Of course people who are in a position of wealth are not affected by their existence so they think there’s no issue.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Looking out for Americans is precisely what he's doing by deporting illegals Nothing about deporting illegal immigrants requires deploying the Marines.
        xdennis 1y ago
        They're deployed because of the riots, not illegal immigration.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > They're deployed because of the riots, not illegal immigration The riots got worse after they were deployed. Obviously. They're being deployed because we have a drunk for SecDef, a basket case in Stephen Miller and flagging illegal-immigrant arrest numbers that are making Homan look incompetent. So we get theatrics. Sort of like the tariffs.
NordStreamYacht 1y ago
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- deepfriedbits 1y ago
  This is such bad form to stereotype an entire diverse nation like this. I'd feel the same way about any other nation on earth.
  - protocolture 1y ago
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    - tomhow 1y ago
      You can't comment like this on HN.
      - aspenmayer 1y ago
        I’m willing to defer to mods on this one, but Aussie slang is full of warm put downs for ‘mericans, but I would hesitate to call the comment in question derogatory in nature. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Seppo https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Seppo tl;dr: it’s rhyming slang, Yank (USA person who may/may not also be one of the two Australian stereotypes of Americans, the other one being Texans) rhymes with (septic) tank, shortened to the euphemism used by OP
        tomhow 1y ago
        Thanks, I'm Australian, and I know what it means, and I know how it's used :)
        aspenmayer 1y ago
        Thanks, I’m an American who is related to Australians and has lived in Australia. Since we both have standing to speak and both know how it’s used, I think it’s fair to say that I said this for the rest of the class, as I am a regular here and had an inkling you’re Australian.
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fnordpiglet 1y ago
The marines were deployed in New Orleans to help in hospitals, distribute food and water, and specialists in search and rescue. That is a very different context.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too The governor of Louisiana requested federal help. Legally very different.
- xp84 1y ago
  Most people here in CA who aren’t Democrats believe that Newsom is a partisan hack and that he and his policies are completely ineffective at keeping Californians safe from dangerous criminals, so his lack of requesting help is mostly being viewed as his typical “agenda over reality” orientation.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > his lack of requesting help is mostly being viewed as his typical “agenda over reality” orientation Most people don't understand why we have the system of laws that we do. Most Americans couldn't design a stable republic the way our founders did. (Most of their contemporaries couldn't either.) Nothing about deporting illegal immigrants requires calling in the Marines. Nothing about this situation makes their deployment in Los Angeles legal. Performative hackery is practiced by both sides. Desecrating the honour of our armed forces used to be bipartisan, but I guess that's no longer the case.
  - BobaFloutist 1y ago
    Ok, but that's not most people in CA, so I don't know what that has to do with anything.

by vasco 1y ago

I'm not american but I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too. Funny that if it's so bad to deploy them, why is it OK to deploy them in other countries?

bolster8505 1y ago

Being deployed to help in a disaster is very different from being deployed to quell protests.

MaxHoppersGhost 1y ago
They're not being deployed to quell protests they're being deployed to guard federal buildings from protesters.
- aceazzameen 1y ago
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  - MaxHoppersGhost 1y ago
    ICE agents are deporting people here illegally. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
    - unsnap_biceps 1y ago
      The deportation isn't the problem. It's how they're being done. Due process is core to our democracy and must be respected and followed, regardless of who. Court orders are being ignored. I have zero problem with deporting people that are here illegally. I have plenty of problems with how it's currently being done.
      - curtisblaine 1y ago
        > Court orders are being ignored Can you expand on this? If you are referring to the AEA, as far as I know that’s not what is being used in LA.
        sapphicsnail 1y ago
        Kinda seems like they're randomly grabbing people and shipping them to Mexico right now. Their MO so far has been to round up people, including people who are here legally, and deport them without due process. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/09/los-angeles-immigration-raids-detained https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/09/los-angeles-...
    - 4MOAisgoodenuf 1y ago
      The Gestapo simply detained people who were breaking the law.
      - deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]
    - andrewshadura 1y ago
      Freedom of movement is a basic human right.
      - lurk2 1y ago
        Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights asserts that: "Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state." "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." Note that this affords the freedom to relocate within, leave, and return to one’s country, not the freedom to enter into other countries in violation of their immigration laws.
    - Rodeoclash 1y ago
      Yes, the classic "if it's legal, it's moral" position. It was also legal to turn in Anne Frank.
    - aceazzameen 1y ago
      This tells me a lot about you. You purposefully ignore the "how."
    - edoceo 1y ago
      ICE is deporting folks before due process - a right guaranteed to all persons on US soil by amendment to the US Constitution. That is against the laws of the USA.
      - fuzzfactor 1y ago
        >ICE agents are deporting people here illegally. Well in a Freudian way this statement could be interpreted to exactly mean that what ICE is doing is illegal.
    - fnordpiglet 1y ago
      I would note they aren’t guilty of a crime - it’s a civil infraction. “Illegal” is a pejorative used to imply criminality, being an undocumented immigrant is not in fact criminal or a crime. The issue however that prompted the protests was the way they are pursuing deportations with militarized tactics, brutality, and snatching people off the streets as abductions. They do not declare themselves, do not present their civil warrant, do not produce identification, and subsequently frequently do not follow laws, regulation, or the constitutional requirements of due process. There is no reason that their neighbors, family, and friends need to be happy with what’s happening. They are afforded protection in our society to be angry and disclaim the government without fear of persecution or prosecution. When they’re then persecuted and prosecuted for doing that, people are pissed by the injustice. Then when their governments responsible is to fly in the military, you should expect an explosive situation. Indeed it seems pretty clear the explosive situation was premeditated and planned - using armored vehicles and riot armored police to invade immigrant neighborhoods and abduct service workers and day laborers in broad daylight when a simple standard ICE operation was clearly designed to provoke strong response in those neighborhoods. Everything after that has been pretty deductively arrived at to create this precise situation. Even the language of insurrection and rebellion - laughably absurd claims for even a riot - which hadn’t happened until the national guard were deployed - are carefully chosen words to provide pretext for what comes next. I desperate miss the states rights individual freedoms libertarian leaning republicans. They would never have done these things.
      - antonvs 1y ago
        > The issue however that prompted the protests was the way they are pursuing deportations with militarized tactics, brutality, and snatching people off the streets as abductions. Also that they’re going after many people who are actually attempting to comply with the law, because those are the easiest to find. Meanwhile tens of millions of undocumented immigrants are still here, and the lesson they’re being taught is don’t trust the legal process, stay under the radar. In the end the Trump administration is unlikely to make a large dent in the undocumented population - they certainly haven’t so far. It’s mostly theater. They’ll just end up discovering how unintended consequences work.
    - gamblor956 1y ago
      ICE agents are also deporting a lot of people here legally. Just last week: they attempted to deport and ban the wife of a U.S. soldier visiting her husband on leave with a valid tourist visa ; several U.S. citizens working for at the Westlake Home Depot despite being shown proof of citizenship; a U.S. Marshall of Mexican descent who was born in the country to legal residents. That doesn't include the hundreds of students legally here on student visas. And of course, if ICE is going to deport people in the country illegally: it's well establish by now that Musk and Melania violated the terms of their nonresident visas when they first came to the U.S., rendering their U.S. citizenship null and void (Musk worked in violation of his student visa; Melania both worked in violation of her tourist visa and overstayed her visa by several years; if she hadn't married Trump she would have been deported and banned from the U.S. for 10 years).
    - freejazz 1y ago
      Are they? What about the ones that aren't here illegally? Trump told the Supreme Court that Kilmar Garcia was wrongfully deported, but they had no obligation to bring him back anyway. Is that what you are talking about?
  - lurk2 1y ago
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- margalabargala 1y ago
  That's not really relevant to the disaster remediation point. They are being deployed on American soil for their force projection.
- vkou 1y ago
  How will any outside observe be able to tell the difference between them 'guarding federal buildings' and them being deployed to attack political enemies of the regime? Will a useful idiot throwing a rock at a federal building be sufficient casus belli for the latter?
ty6853 1y ago
Lol at Katrina the police and guard were going door to door confiscating arms of occupied homes in blatant violation of the second amendment. There is a video if a guardsman bragging about something to the effect 'hoping he doesn't have to smoke someone coming around a corner." As it turns out when you send a force trained only to kill and subjugate, that's what they do. A few guardsman stood down but most did not.
- rascul 1y ago
  National guard are also trained to assist in disaster relief and humanitarian efforts. They did a lot of that after Katrina.
billfor 1y ago
They have been used in the past to quell protests (in LA), by Bush the senior in 1992. Actually he sent in more than the current number.

bix6 1y ago

National Guard and Army Corps of Engineers are often deployed in disasters to help. This is the opposite and the governor of California specifically did not request this so Trump usurped his authority.

dylan604 1y ago

Their job is to be deployed internationally and specifically not to be deployed domestically. That's why it's so appalling.

rixed 1y ago
It's also appealing each time they are deployed internationally, but to "others".
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  Yes. The American President is supposed to look out for Americans. First. That's what Trump was elected to do. Not trash out economy at the global and local levels.
  - jaoane 1y ago
    Looking out for Americans is precisely what he's doing by deporting illegals. Of course people who are in a position of wealth are not affected by their existence so they think there’s no issue.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Looking out for Americans is precisely what he's doing by deporting illegals Nothing about deporting illegal immigrants requires deploying the Marines.
      - xdennis 1y ago
        They're deployed because of the riots, not illegal immigration.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > They're deployed because of the riots, not illegal immigration The riots got worse after they were deployed. Obviously. They're being deployed because we have a drunk for SecDef, a basket case in Stephen Miller and flagging illegal-immigrant arrest numbers that are making Homan look incompetent. So we get theatrics. Sort of like the tariffs.

NordStreamYacht 1y ago

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deepfriedbits 1y ago
This is such bad form to stereotype an entire diverse nation like this. I'd feel the same way about any other nation on earth.
- protocolture 1y ago
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  - tomhow 1y ago
    You can't comment like this on HN.
    - aspenmayer 1y ago
      I’m willing to defer to mods on this one, but Aussie slang is full of warm put downs for ‘mericans, but I would hesitate to call the comment in question derogatory in nature. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Seppo https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Seppo tl;dr: it’s rhyming slang, Yank (USA person who may/may not also be one of the two Australian stereotypes of Americans, the other one being Texans) rhymes with (septic) tank, shortened to the euphemism used by OP
      - tomhow 1y ago
        Thanks, I'm Australian, and I know what it means, and I know how it's used :)
        aspenmayer 1y ago
        Thanks, I’m an American who is related to Australians and has lived in Australia. Since we both have standing to speak and both know how it’s used, I think it’s fair to say that I said this for the rest of the class, as I am a regular here and had an inkling you’re Australian.

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fnordpiglet 1y ago

The marines were deployed in New Orleans to help in hospitals, distribute food and water, and specialists in search and rescue. That is a very different context.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too The governor of Louisiana requested federal help. Legally very different.

xp84 1y ago
Most people here in CA who aren’t Democrats believe that Newsom is a partisan hack and that he and his policies are completely ineffective at keeping Californians safe from dangerous criminals, so his lack of requesting help is mostly being viewed as his typical “agenda over reality” orientation.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > his lack of requesting help is mostly being viewed as his typical “agenda over reality” orientation Most people don't understand why we have the system of laws that we do. Most Americans couldn't design a stable republic the way our founders did. (Most of their contemporaries couldn't either.) Nothing about deporting illegal immigrants requires calling in the Marines. Nothing about this situation makes their deployment in Los Angeles legal. Performative hackery is practiced by both sides. Desecrating the honour of our armed forces used to be bipartisan, but I guess that's no longer the case.
- BobaFloutist 1y ago
  Ok, but that's not most people in CA, so I don't know what that has to do with anything.