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I worry that, rather than de-escalation, one of the White House’s explicit goals here is to stage manage a Kent State-like demonstration of state force against
by crmd 1y ago
I worry that, rather than de-escalation, one of the White House’s explicit goals here is to stage manage a Kent State-like demonstration of state force against left-wing activists that spreads to other cities. I sincerely hope I’m cynically wrong here.
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- mac3n 1y agolaw and order: arrests ignoring court orders and due process
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- CamperBob2 1y ago"Law and order." ROFL. Where were you on January 6?
- perihelions 1y agoYou're not cynical; it's his plain, revealed character. He's been openly fantasizing about soldiers shooting protestors for years. He's asked his own defense secretary if he could do it for him, https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097517470/trump-esper-book-defense-secretary https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097517470/trump-esper-book-d... ("Former Pentagon chief Esper says Trump asked about shooting protesters")
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- khazhoux 1y agoI can’t tell if you’re American, but we here * We value human life over property * We only empower police to use lethal force to prevent that person from taking a life. Seems you’d like to change this? Enough’s enough, steal a TV and you die on the spot?
- anon84873628 1y agoNever mind that civil unrest doesn't start out of nowhere... It's because the government is doing something unjust already.
- speakfreely 1y agoExcept in this case, they were just enforcing existing immigration laws.
- mrguyorama 1y agoThey were not. Obama deported millions with relatively little pushback. Because he did not deny anyone due process. Everybody has a requirement for due process. It's the only constitutional way to prove someone is an illegal alien, or overstayed their welcome, or has a history. You cannot "enforce existing immigration laws" by ignoring due process, because they are a requirement of existing immigration laws
- speakfreely 1y ago> Obama deported millions with relatively little pushback. Because he did not deny anyone due process. This is blatantly inaccurate. Obama administration frequently used expedited removal to deport people without hearings. Don't take my word for it, a simple Google search will serve you well.
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- spacemadness 1y agoIt’s been pretty obvious from their behavior and rhetoric since the beginning. It’s not cynicism.
- johnnyanmac 1y agoYup. It's in project 2025, it's been their narrative since the adminsitration started. They never wanted "law and order".
- marcusverus 1y agoA conspiracy, huh?
- aisenik 1y agoA vast, open one with a nearly 1000 page document outlining their plan hosted on their website whose primary operatives are now high-level government officials. Hard to believe? That's exactly what they're relying on: they think people are too stupid to believe there's an actual radical white-supremacist Christian Theocratic movement working to destroy the United States. It's the biggest known internal existential threat of the last 150 years and our corporate media and political environment has resulted in conditions that have enabled it to manifest nearly unchallenged.
- marcusverus 1y agoSo the Heritage Foundation (a conservative thinktank) wrote a document about their conservative vision for America (a pretty standard move for a thinktank), ergo the Trump administration is a sockpuppet for the Heritage Foundation and is carrying out its vision? Sounds like a conspiracy theory, alright. Who are these "primary operatives" who became "high-level officials"? > Hard to believe? That's exactly what they're relying on Is this a QAnon quote or an original?
- 1oooqooq 1y agoBack then we called it the Kent State Massacre edit: and remember, it was a net positive for conservatives in the end.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoAnd the optics of Kent State worked so well for the administration. Kind of like shooting reporters with rubber bullets.
- brewdad 1y agoAbout 35% of the country supported what the National Guard did at Kent State. Deplorable is being far too kind to these people.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoNot sure it would be a good idea to shoot US citizens for the 35% approval. (But to your point, anything >0% is pretty horrible.)
- lotsofpulp 1y agoThat is enough to win elections.
- sanderjd 1y ago... no it isn't. If you have 35% support but everyone else is opposed, that's not enough to win elections.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoBut everyone else isn't opposed. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2025/2024-presidential-election-voting-registration-tables.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2025/2024-pre... >In the 2024 presidential election, 73.6% (or 174 million people) of the citizen voting-age population was registered to vote and 65.3% (or 154 million people) voted according to new voting and registration tables released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. Moreover, due to the electoral college and Senate and gerrymandering of House districts, the majority is hardly needed for attain power. I bet that even in other societies, throughout time, roughly a third of the population will not react to what one of the other thirds is doing (even if they claim they don't approve in polls).
- scoofy 1y agoI think the goal hear is to "both sides" the concept of insurrection to neuter the January 6th criticism of his administration. The protesters here, at least in some cases, are doing their protests explicitly to prevent the government from enforcing laws that the protestors don't like.
- johnnyanmac 1y agoInstead it makes Jan 6th look worse as Congress asked for national guard and Trump did nothing. Newsom condemned the use of military and Trump did it anyway. >explicitly to prevent the government from enforcing laws that the protestors don't like. 100+ policemen died on Jan 6th. What's the body count here?
- yibg 1y agoWhere are you getting 100+ deaths from?
- johnnyanmac 1y agoI was too loose with my words, apologies. "casualties" was the word I was looking for. Wikipedia says as much, since the government itself took down their page: >Within 36 hours, five people died: one was shot by the Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, and three died of natural causes, including a police officer who died of a stroke a day after being assaulted by rioters and collapsing at the Capitol.[d][34][45] Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by suicide within seven months.[35] Damage caused by attackers exceeded $2.7 million.[46]
- marcusverus 1y ago"Within 36 hours" is doing a lot of work here. Zero cops died as a result of the protests. Officer Sicknick (the cop who died of a stroke the next day) was pepper-sprayed by rioters, but not physically assaulted in a way which might cause a stroke. He did not collapse at the capital on Jan 6, but at 10PM the following day (your confusion on this point is understandable, given that the Wiki article deceptively implies that he collapsed on Jan 6). His autopsy found that his death was due to "natural causes". The gaslighting around Jan 6 is really outrageous.