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>Some of us realize this technology was inevitable How was any of this inevitable? Point me to which law of physics demanded we reach this state of the univers

>Some of us realize this technology was inevitable How was any of this inevitable? Point me to which law of physics demanded we reach this state of the universe. These companies actively choose to train these models, and by framing their development as "inevitable" you are helping absolve them of any of the negative shit they have/will cause. >figuring out how society evolves from here instead of complaining and trying to legislate away math Could you not apply this exact logic to the creation of nuclear weaponry--perhaps the greatest example of tragedy of the commons? >prevent honest people from using these tools while criminals freely make use of them What is your argument here? Should we suggest that everyone learn how to money launder to even the playing field against criminals?

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soulofmischief 1y ago
> Point me to which law of physics demanded we reach this state of the universe Gestures vaguely around at everything Intelligence is intelligence, and we are beginning to really get down to the fundamentals of self-organization and how order naturally emerges from chaos. > Could you not apply this exact logic to the creation of nuclear weaponry--perhaps the greatest example of tragedy of the commons? Yes, I can. Access to information is one thing (must be carefully handled, but information wants to be free, and there should be no law determining what one person can say to another, barring NDAs and government classification of national secrets (which doesn't include math and physics) but we absolutely have international treaties to limit nuclear proliferation, and we also have countries who do not participate in these treaties, or violate them, which illustrates my point that criminals will do whatever they want. > Should we suggest that everyone learn how to money launder to even the playing field against criminals? I have no interest in entertaining your straw mans. You're intelligent enough to understand context.
MarkusQ 1y ago
> Should we suggest that everyone learn how to money launder to even the playing field against criminals? Certainly. We should also teach them how phishing scams work, and about confirmation bias, high pressure sales tactics, phantom limbs, vote splitting, inflation, optical illusions, demagoguery, peer pressure, lotteries, both insurance and insurance fraud, and lots of other things work.

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soulofmischief 1y ago

> Point me to which law of physics demanded we reach this state of the universe Gestures vaguely around at everything Intelligence is intelligence, and we are beginning to really get down to the fundamentals of self-organization and how order naturally emerges from chaos. > Could you not apply this exact logic to the creation of nuclear weaponry--perhaps the greatest example of tragedy of the commons? Yes, I can. Access to information is one thing (must be carefully handled, but information wants to be free, and there should be no law determining what one person can say to another, barring NDAs and government classification of national secrets (which doesn't include math and physics) but we absolutely have international treaties to limit nuclear proliferation, and we also have countries who do not participate in these treaties, or violate them, which illustrates my point that criminals will do whatever they want. > Should we suggest that everyone learn how to money launder to even the playing field against criminals? I have no interest in entertaining your straw mans. You're intelligent enough to understand context.

MarkusQ 1y ago

> Should we suggest that everyone learn how to money launder to even the playing field against criminals? Certainly. We should also teach them how phishing scams work, and about confirmation bias, high pressure sales tactics, phantom limbs, vote splitting, inflation, optical illusions, demagoguery, peer pressure, lotteries, both insurance and insurance fraud, and lots of other things work.