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Surely you recognize the same “representative government forms the core American value” you laud is both the mechanism by which the current administration was e

Surely you recognize the same “representative government forms the core American value” you laud is both the mechanism by which the current administration was elected, as well as the same mechanism that passed the immigration laws that are being enforced, right?

hiddencost 1y ago
ICE's actions are wildly illegal. None of this false equivalence nonsense.
- anonfordays 1y ago
  >ICE's actions are wildly illegal. No they're not. Deporting illegal aliens is not "wildly" illegal.
  - Supermancho 1y ago
    Cherry picking isn't compelling. The parallels between the philosophies of ICE and Israel are noticeable. ie Extraneous damage and laws broken along the way are justified collateral damage by sympathizers. A dark period for the US, indeed.
    - anonfordays 1y ago
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      - Supermancho 1y ago
        >>>> ICE's actions are wildly illegal. >>> No they're not. Deporting illegal aliens is not "wildly" illegal. - anonfordays >> Cherry picking isn't compelling. > Glad that's not what I'm doing. - anonfordays Yes it is. "Actions" is broader than your cherry picked singular action - "deporting illegals". Rephrasing, graciously, something like "the deporting of illegals is the goal and that's lawful" would be more correct. Unfortunately, I don't think you have anything to add to a good faith discussion. Good luck with whatever.
  - komali2 1y ago
    This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "deporting illegal aliens," they're throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers. The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," I'm not sure if you grew up in the same America as me or what but I'm pretty sure that I have a better representative understanding of American values to know that officers throwing a tear gas canister into the restaurant I'm eating at and then asking me to "show my papers" is exactly the kind of Soviet-ass behavior that it's my American duty to protest. I don't care about any justification, if what it requires to keep undocumented migrants out of restaurant kitchens is that cops get to kick down doors and ask people randomly for papers, I'll take the America with the 4th and 5th amendments and the undocumented migrants in the kitchen before I take the communist alternative you're offering. Liberty or death, and in this case it's not even death, it's cheap good food.
    - anonfordays 1y ago
      This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers," they're deporting illegal aliens. >The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," No they wouldn't have. The America I grew up in didn't have a political party that fetishized trafficking in the third-world into the US. That is "commie shit." >I'm pretty sure that I have a better representative understanding of American values to know that officers throwing a tear gas canister into the restaurant I'm eating at and then asking me to "show my papers" is exactly the kind of Soviet-ass behavior that it's my American duty to protest. Repeating false propaganda likely from Russian assets posting on reddit is Soviet-ass "commie shit." >I don't care about any justification, if what it requires to keep undocumented migrants out of restaurant kitchens is that cops get to kick down doors and ask people randomly for papers, I'll take the America with the 4th and 5th amendments and the undocumented migrants in the kitchen before I take the communist alternative you're offering. I don't care about any justification, if what it requires to keep illegal immigrant slaves out of restaurant kitchens is that cops get to kick down doors and ask people randomly for papers, I'll take the America with the 4th and 5th amendments and tear gassing rioters in before I take the communist alternative of importing slave labor you're offering. Both of us can play this game. Flooding the West with illegal aliens is literal Soviet-era propaganda. Deporting them is democracy, as this is a country for the of the people, by the people, for the people

hiddencost 1y ago

ICE's actions are wildly illegal. None of this false equivalence nonsense.

anonfordays 1y ago
>ICE's actions are wildly illegal. No they're not. Deporting illegal aliens is not "wildly" illegal.
- Supermancho 1y ago
  Cherry picking isn't compelling. The parallels between the philosophies of ICE and Israel are noticeable. ie Extraneous damage and laws broken along the way are justified collateral damage by sympathizers. A dark period for the US, indeed.
  - anonfordays 1y ago
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    - Supermancho 1y ago
      >>>> ICE's actions are wildly illegal. >>> No they're not. Deporting illegal aliens is not "wildly" illegal. - anonfordays >> Cherry picking isn't compelling. > Glad that's not what I'm doing. - anonfordays Yes it is. "Actions" is broader than your cherry picked singular action - "deporting illegals". Rephrasing, graciously, something like "the deporting of illegals is the goal and that's lawful" would be more correct. Unfortunately, I don't think you have anything to add to a good faith discussion. Good luck with whatever.
- komali2 1y ago
  This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "deporting illegal aliens," they're throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers. The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," I'm not sure if you grew up in the same America as me or what but I'm pretty sure that I have a better representative understanding of American values to know that officers throwing a tear gas canister into the restaurant I'm eating at and then asking me to "show my papers" is exactly the kind of Soviet-ass behavior that it's my American duty to protest. I don't care about any justification, if what it requires to keep undocumented migrants out of restaurant kitchens is that cops get to kick down doors and ask people randomly for papers, I'll take the America with the 4th and 5th amendments and the undocumented migrants in the kitchen before I take the communist alternative you're offering. Liberty or death, and in this case it's not even death, it's cheap good food.
  - anonfordays 1y ago
    This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers," they're deporting illegal aliens. >The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," No they wouldn't have. The America I grew up in didn't have a political party that fetishized trafficking in the third-world into the US. That is "commie shit." >I'm pretty sure that I have a better representative understanding of American values to know that officers throwing a tear gas canister into the restaurant I'm eating at and then asking me to "show my papers" is exactly the kind of Soviet-ass behavior that it's my American duty to protest. Repeating false propaganda likely from Russian assets posting on reddit is Soviet-ass "commie shit." >I don't care about any justification, if what it requires to keep undocumented migrants out of restaurant kitchens is that cops get to kick down doors and ask people randomly for papers, I'll take the America with the 4th and 5th amendments and the undocumented migrants in the kitchen before I take the communist alternative you're offering. I don't care about any justification, if what it requires to keep illegal immigrant slaves out of restaurant kitchens is that cops get to kick down doors and ask people randomly for papers, I'll take the America with the 4th and 5th amendments and tear gassing rioters in before I take the communist alternative of importing slave labor you're offering. Both of us can play this game. Flooding the West with illegal aliens is literal Soviet-era propaganda. Deporting them is democracy, as this is a country for the of the people, by the people, for the people