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Convincing any one of those 50k people to ditch a free product for a paid one is a miracle by itself. Congrats to Kagi! However, is there really no other model
by theanonymousone 1y ago
Convincing any one of those 50k people to ditch a free product for a paid one is a miracle by itself. Congrats to Kagi!
However, is there really no other model than these two, i.e. being 100% the product vs. paying the "full price" of the search?
- burnished 1y agoI suspect the 'slippery slope' applies here
- roughly 1y agoAdvertising is a fungus. You let it into any part of your product and it’ll be everywhere before you know it.
- UberFly 1y agoSure. Kagi could just start showing ads to subscribers who only want to pay half price. That awesome Netflix model.
- jaggederest 1y agoAKA "The worst of both worlds"
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- imafish 1y agoTV channels were doing this for decades before Netflix did.
- AdamN 1y agoAnd newspapers and magazines. You pay for the magazine and you also get the ads inside.
- lurk2 1y agoI never understood why cryptomining never took off. The biggest issue I have with paying for anything on the internet is that I don’t want to have to enter my payment details everywhere I go. If a service mines on a user’s machine, they just pay for it indirectly via their electric bill. I guess the problem probably has to do with the value of the GPU cycles being lower than the served content. This is most apparent in the case of AI; e.g. if the mining lasts as long as the session, and the server runs 2 GPUs while the user is only running 1, then you can’t complete the “payment” unless the mining continues beyond the length of the session.
- Tepix 1y agoLook at the actual numbers. There‘s a large percentage of mobile users. Then there are users on laptops with iGPUs. To crypto mine even 1 cent would take forever.
- theanonymousone 1y agoNow that the AI overlords demand more and more training data, maybe we will start "paying" by annotating some unit of information, aka Captcha-style.
- hedora 1y agoYou’re describing google. Though training data sets based on private information about people are worth more to them, so they focus on that. That lets them do things like run crooked ad auctions that screw websites and advertisers, intentionally worsen search results exactly enough to maximize profits, and other stuff that came out during their trial.
- theanonymousone 1y agoI understand your point. But in my hypothetical model, the paying entity (the customer) does not have an incentive in manipulating the search results, and the search is still optimised (only) for relevance to the user query.
- throwaway81523 1y agoI've been using paid email (fastmail) for quite a long time and it's fine, I use it dozens or hundreds of times a day and it's around $4 a month. Kagi is $10 a month and I'd use it a handful of times a week (based on trying their free 100 queries) if subscribed. Otherwise Duckduckgo suffices. I'm satisfied with duckduckgo in a way that I could never be with any "free" email service since DDG doesn't require a signup and doesn't supply long term storage.
- marcus_holmes 1y agoI was the same, but I didn't want to go back to DDG after the trial ended. It was that simple.
- devilkin 1y agoWe (partner and I) average between 700 and 900 searches a month. Kagi has been so worth it.
- flexagoon 1y ago> Kagi is $10 a month and I'd use it a handful of times a week Do people really use web search that little? According to the stats Kagi shows me, I make about 50-100 web searches every day on average.
- bdangubic 1y agowouldn’t this depend on the day? some days I hit 300+ but I’ve also had (many) days without a single search…
- throwaway81523 1y agoI use web search quite a lot, but most of the time DDG works fine for me. A handful of times per week, I'm unsatisfied with the DDG results for some particular query where I think Kagi might be better. So I'd check Kagi on those occasions if I had access. But meh, I don't need it that much.
- Ma8ee 1y agoI didn’t ditch a “free” product. I ditched a product that I paid with my attention and time, which is something of the most valuable I have.
- PartiallyTyped 1y agoKagi gave me 300 free searches, then I got hooked.
- mediumsmart 1y agoConvincing? I was like Finally, a search engine! when Kagi appeared. And no, there is only those 2 solutions.