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>The first thing in my view is reliable storage medium. We have that, it's called spinning Rust with ZFS + Backup (M-DISK?), what's more important where do you

>The first thing in my view is reliable storage medium. We have that, it's called spinning Rust with ZFS + Backup (M-DISK?), what's more important where do you buy your stuff for example Nintendo vs GOG. Don't buy Software that you cant "own".

Teever 1y ago
I have a NAS with many terabytes of data stored on ZFS too, but this isn't a solution to the problem because the problem isn't technical one, it's a social one. We need regulations around this kind of stuff and governments that are willing to break up companies that monopolize industries. Companies like Autodesk and Adobe for instance have far too much control over very critical markets and the revenue that they extract from them allows them to lock down software in very onerous ways. No amount of spinning rust and ZFS is going to make running offline versions of Fusion360 or Photoshop easy for the common person. It's going to take legislation.
- BSDobelix 1y ago
  >problem isn't technical one, it's a social one Exactly what i said. Don't give money to corporations who want to control your software. https://www.fsf.org/about/ https://www.fsf.org/about/ >>Free software is about having control over the technology we use in our homes, schools and businesses, where computers work for our individual and communal benefit, not for proprietary software companies or governments who might seek to restrict and monitor us >Fusion360 or Photoshop Not my Software not my Problem. Ask your country to support alternatives [1] for this kind of software. You're right that critical software is concentrated among a small group of providers. But an even bigger problem is that they're not open source and are sold under US laws (patents, licenses, restrictions etc..). [1] https://www.sovereign.tech/ https://www.sovereign.tech/
  - Teever 1y ago
    I'm aware of the merits of open source software and the idealism of living in a society where it is prominent. We don't live in that society however. We live in a society where the people who build your house and the public facilities and the stores that you shop on are becoming increasingly locked into cloud based CAD and BIM software that is owned by monopolists who use the money they make to further entrench themselves. This is your problem and no amount of spinning rust and ZFS is going to fix it.
    - BSDobelix 1y ago
      >This is your problem and no amount of spinning rust and ZFS is going to fix it. No it's not, i have not used and CAD-Stuff for 20 years, again don't support stuff you don't like. The amount of money for Fusion360 to "build" my house is not 1 second of thinking worth...i just don't care, but hey you do! Make a change. I also don't get it why you try to mix storage and proprietary-software, those are two different things. The same argument (impossible to replace etc) was made for Microsoft-Office in ~2000, and now the whole French Police uses LibreOffice. If you want a change YOU have to change.
Dylan16807 1y ago
If I can't throw it in a box for 30+ years then it's not a reliable storage medium. A server that uses parity drives and regular data checks is a reliable system built on top of unreliable storage. It achieves the same data integrity but it's a lot more annoying and difficult to deal with. A huge stack of m-discs is not a good option either.
- BSDobelix 1y ago
  >If I can't throw it in a box for 30+ years then it's not a reliable storage medium. That was never the case with Cartridges, Floppy's or even CD's. However M-DISK is around 30-100 years. >A huge stack of m-discs is not a good option either. What is your alternative? Maybe LTO tapes is then something for you? Mo Data mo Problems you know ;)

Teever 1y ago

I have a NAS with many terabytes of data stored on ZFS too, but this isn't a solution to the problem because the problem isn't technical one, it's a social one. We need regulations around this kind of stuff and governments that are willing to break up companies that monopolize industries. Companies like Autodesk and Adobe for instance have far too much control over very critical markets and the revenue that they extract from them allows them to lock down software in very onerous ways. No amount of spinning rust and ZFS is going to make running offline versions of Fusion360 or Photoshop easy for the common person. It's going to take legislation.

BSDobelix 1y ago
>problem isn't technical one, it's a social one Exactly what i said. Don't give money to corporations who want to control your software. https://www.fsf.org/about/ https://www.fsf.org/about/ >>Free software is about having control over the technology we use in our homes, schools and businesses, where computers work for our individual and communal benefit, not for proprietary software companies or governments who might seek to restrict and monitor us >Fusion360 or Photoshop Not my Software not my Problem. Ask your country to support alternatives [1] for this kind of software. You're right that critical software is concentrated among a small group of providers. But an even bigger problem is that they're not open source and are sold under US laws (patents, licenses, restrictions etc..). [1] https://www.sovereign.tech/ https://www.sovereign.tech/
- Teever 1y ago
  I'm aware of the merits of open source software and the idealism of living in a society where it is prominent. We don't live in that society however. We live in a society where the people who build your house and the public facilities and the stores that you shop on are becoming increasingly locked into cloud based CAD and BIM software that is owned by monopolists who use the money they make to further entrench themselves. This is your problem and no amount of spinning rust and ZFS is going to fix it.
  - BSDobelix 1y ago
    >This is your problem and no amount of spinning rust and ZFS is going to fix it. No it's not, i have not used and CAD-Stuff for 20 years, again don't support stuff you don't like. The amount of money for Fusion360 to "build" my house is not 1 second of thinking worth...i just don't care, but hey you do! Make a change. I also don't get it why you try to mix storage and proprietary-software, those are two different things. The same argument (impossible to replace etc) was made for Microsoft-Office in ~2000, and now the whole French Police uses LibreOffice. If you want a change YOU have to change.

Dylan16807 1y ago

If I can't throw it in a box for 30+ years then it's not a reliable storage medium. A server that uses parity drives and regular data checks is a reliable system built on top of unreliable storage. It achieves the same data integrity but it's a lot more annoying and difficult to deal with. A huge stack of m-discs is not a good option either.

BSDobelix 1y ago
>If I can't throw it in a box for 30+ years then it's not a reliable storage medium. That was never the case with Cartridges, Floppy's or even CD's. However M-DISK is around 30-100 years. >A huge stack of m-discs is not a good option either. What is your alternative? Maybe LTO tapes is then something for you? Mo Data mo Problems you know ;)