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The US is turning into a mass techno-surveillance state
- DrillShopper 1y agoTurning into one? It's been one for at least the last twenty years.
- johnea 1y agoI read that article this morning, that was also my reaction. Do they not remember Snowden? Although the level of accessing "social media" posts, and internal government docs, for use in persecution of an individual is rising to new levels with The Cheato administration.
- BirAdam 1y agoAlthough, Cheatos are the wrong shade of orange. I feel like the Orange Immigration Man is something more like a Kraft Single.
- esafak 1y agoThe problem is that people become used to the conditions they are living in, so the disaster is always in the future. People expect some sharp, intolerable transition.
- SlightlyLeftPad 1y agoTraveling abroad to asian countries it becomes immediately and shockingly clear how intolerable surveillance really can be. Between having your face and fingerprints scanned on a pirated windows xp pc to being fined heavily for going 51 kph in 50 zone it can be hard to imagine how much worse it can get from there, but it can.
- jdsnape 1y agoI’m interested in how strong your reaction is to those two examples. Could you explain why those are such terrible things?
- FridayoLeary 1y agoCome on. It's blindingly obvious to anyone not used to these things why it's inherently bad. To people who live in a police state you eventually get used to such things. For example i really believe that traffic enforcement cameras are state oppression. They create more human suffering then they prevent. it's just that people are used to it so they don't protest.
- jdsnape 1y agoI asked because it wasn’t blindingly obvious, and I genuinely want to understand. Taking the traffic enforcement then - we’re talking about a dangerous piece of machinery that you’re allowed to operate in a public place under certain conditions in order to reduce the risk to others. One of those conditions is speed. It seems blindingly obvious to me that if a society agrees those conditions it should also enforce them?
- FridayoLeary 1y agoYes but speed cameras quickly turn into a revenue source for greedy councils. It's hard to tell how much they actually care about speeding offences and doing what they think they can get away with. As a general rule these things start with sincere intentions but often devolve into cynical exploitation. So if you weigh the benefits of speed cameras against the suffering they cause i think you would find they aren't a good thing. Getting to your original question i think many people don't trust that their face and fingerprint scans will be used in a way that would be in the publics interest. Its more likely that the authorities would find a way to use that data against you.
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- AlecSchueler 1y ago> People expect some sharp, intolerable transition. Didn't this actually occur at the start of the year?
- 1oooqooq 1y agoit was all downhill since the red scare
- morkalork 1y agoEver since McCarthy where friends, neighbors and co-workers were pressed into narcing and ratting on each other.
- jjav 1y ago> It's been one for at least the last twenty years. Ubiquitous smartphones have racheted this up to a level before unimaginable. Imagine saying in 1990 that in 2025 everyone will be carrying a locator device which tracks their whereabouts 24/7 and who they associate with and message with.
- Hizonner 1y agoApparently in China you'll now be "noticed" if you're wandering town around without a phone. Coming soon to whatever country you're in...
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- neilv 1y agoThe subhead says "have accelerated", which is bigger than the headline's "is turning into".
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- drdaeman 1y agoWith all due respect, communication of non-trivial ideas is incredibly hard. And if the recipient is not capable of paying sufficient attention or understanding the message in its entirety, it’s not their fault, it’s sender failing to captivate their attention (compared to everyone else out there) or conveying the idea in its entirety (that is, why it’s important to them as well). That is, don’t call people “dumb” just because they failed to heed the warnings. At the very least, that’s not helping in any meaningful way.
- xpltr7 1y agoThey are turning the U.S. into a surveillance state but its psychologically darker than this article has stated. The immigration issue is a ruse to stir up the U.S. citizens to accept more surveillance per the political "anger" of "get the foreign invaders out of here" type people. This has to be propagated on the news in order to persuade public opinion to bring in the digital identities and digital monetary system with implanted chips that work in unison based on body movements to mine their cryptocurrency. Check Microsofts'...ie Bill Gates 20200666 patent for exactely that. Trump, at a rally has said he will implement the biometric entry/exit visa tracking system, for land, sea & air. The goals of all these nations working together come directely from the World Economic Forum. Klaus Shwab-ass has said the governments will be stakeholders in the giant tech companies. The tech companies have peoples data that governments want but dont have "user-friendly" welcome into peoples data as the deceptive tech companies do. Thats why you've seen Elon Musk, Larry Ellison, Sam Altman and Palantir. Palantir AI already targets civilians in Gaza for air strikes. So, what "they" want is total U.S. surveillance on all citizens not just foreigners. Drones will fly and identify "enemies of the nation" based on the U.S. governments twisted interpretations of whats right or wrong. They want to completely control and enslave you to an AI false god that will determine what you can buy, when you can go outside, where you can or cant go, what you can or cant do. A digital slave system. An outside prison but a "Smart City" in their words.
- FridayoLeary 1y ago[flagged]
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- knowaveragejoe 1y agoIt's not a lie, it's pretty close to the truth. The vast majority of immigration is a net benefit
- mandmandam 1y agoDeeply concerning to see such simple facts flagged here.
- mixmastamyk 1y agoI've noticed it's a common tactic, apparently to get the left motivated? But yes, I think it is an odd one in the general. In this case however, el pais, with their largest audience being in latin america, is probably honestly concerned about how migrants are being treated by the trump admin.
- xpltr7 1y agoThey are turning the U.S. into a surveillance state but its psychologically darker than this article has stated. The immigration issue is a ruse to stir up the U.S. citizens to accept more surveillance per the political "anger" of "get the foreign invaders out of here" type people. This has to be propagated on the news in order to persuade public opinion to bring in the digital identities and digital monetary system with implanted chips that work in unison based on body movements to mine their cryptocurrency. Check Microsofts'...ie Bill Gates 20200666 patent for exactely that. Trump, at a rally has said he will implement the biometric entry/exit visa tracking system, for land, sea & air. The goals of all these nations working together come directely from the World Economic Forum. Klaus Shwab-ass has said the governments will be stakeholders in the giant tech companies. The tech companies have peoples data that governments want but dont have "user-friendly" welcome into peoples data as the deceptive tech companies do. Thats why you've seen Elon Musk, Larry Ellison, Sam Altman and Trump together in photos recentely planning the technocracy transition. Trump also making plans with Palantir which already targets civilians in Gaza for air strikes. So, what "they" want is total U.S. surveillance on all citizens not just foreigners. Drones will fly and identify "enemies of the nation" based on the U.S. governments twisted interpretations of whats right or wrong. They want to completely control and enslave you to an AI false god that will determine what you can buy, when you can go outside, where you can or cant go, what you can or cant do. A digital slave system. An outside prison but a "Smart City" in their words.
- birn559 1y agoOne assumption for such theories that is very important and very wrong is that the elite would cooperate with each other long enough and work on the same goals long term. Newest very public instance is Elon breaking with Trump. Of course such people are able to create strategic partnerships, but it's not like their incentives and motives are aligned. It's a group of people with relatively many narcissistic and sociopathic people. They would rather eat each other alive than deeply cooperate. There is no coherent "they" that would act to achieve some mid/long term goal together. There is more to say about what parent wrote, but I wanted to add this aspect because I feel like it often get overlooked.
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- cryptonector 1y agoIs it not the same as in Europe?
- trilbyglens 1y agoNot it is not
- OptionOfT 1y agoNo, it's not, as in Europe there are privacy laws protecting citizens from being surveilled. Now, these apply to both the government and companies, but slowly more and more carveouts are created to allow governmental entities to violate your privacy. For example, when I lived in Belgium, there was a debate around installing ALPR cameras on the E314 (major freeway). How long was the data stored? Who has access to it? Do you need a warrant? (And then later on it was discovered that data wasn't really purged...) This is completely different to ALPR cameras in the USA. Here a private company can start to drive around with ALPR cameras mounted on a car, and start to build a database. Flock has cameras on a LOT of intersections and HOAs. And Flock sells this service to law enforcement, who don't need a warrant to search this database (unlike them setting up a camera or putting a tracker on someone's vehicle).
- 0xbadc0de5 1y agoTo me, the turning point was the Patriot Act of the early 2000's. Everything we see today is downstream from that.
- distracted_boy 1y agoAgreed. And if there is any doubt, look no further than the Snowden docs.
- _DeadFred_ 1y agoIt's just a temporary measure, and to make sure/put peoples' minds at ease it has a sunset date of 2005 written into it.
- jeisc 1y agoeven if they rescinded it now it wouldn't change anything with the present administration
- Hizonner 1y agoThese discussions are never productive. What are good ways to irreparably disable an ALPR or general-purpose surveillance camera without getting caught?
- ranger_danger 1y agoLidar lasers (and probably other kinds) permanently damage image sensors. https://www.jalopnik.com/1866994/lidar-permanently-damage-phone-camera/ https://www.jalopnik.com/1866994/lidar-permanently-damage-ph...
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