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Can you clarify what Trump's 2016 had to do with race

by bobxmax 1y ago

Daishiman 1y ago
The resentment of a chunk of white Americans who for some reason did not like having a black president.
- bobxmax 1y ago
  You can't claim that while claiming wanting to elect a black president wasn't a big driver in much of the turnout for Obama. There were multiple musicians literally making songs about finally being able to elect a black president.
  - paulryanrogers 1y ago
    Obama was genuinely qualified to be president. Trump was clearly unfit in 2016 (having never held elected office and run nearly all his businesses into the ground), and constitutionally disqualified after Jan 6 2021. Trump was also reluctant to denounce or criticize white nationalists. He repeated and reposted neo-Nazi content and phrases. He is the one ordering a zealous yet haphazard dismantling of anything that breathes the words racial equity, and without a hint of pushback from his voters.
    - bobxmax 1y ago
      That's your opinion though. Obviously lots of people disagree.
  - krapp 1y ago
    Trump's initial popularity was due in no small part to the anger of American white supremacists and the alt-right, this was well documented even back in 2016[0,3]. That the President elected after Obama was the man who mainstreamed the birther conspiracies against Obama was not a coincidence. It wasn't entirely about Obama, but he was the straw that broke white America's back. [0]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/donald-trump-and-the-twilight-of-white-america/482655/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/donald-... [1]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-white-nationalists-alt-right-214388/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump... [2]https://archive.is/tZpFB https://archive.is/tZpFB
    - bobxmax 1y ago
      This wasn't because of racism. This belief is why the left keeps losing to him... a total misunderstanding of what brought him into power. Some of the earliest figureheads of the so-called "alt right" movement were homosexuals and racial minorities Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age. His win was a revolt against emergent phenomenon like "cancel culture".
      - dragonwriter 1y ago
        > Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age. So, it wasn't bigotry it was just a reaction against the rejection of bigotry?
        bobxmax 1y ago
        The social justice age wasn't a rejection of bigotry. It was a Mccarthy-esque movement of dividing everybody between sexual and racial lines into a hierarchy of who was and wasn't allowed to speak. Speaking against the party line meant exile. The SJW/Wokeism movement had nothing to do with true equity and "rejection of bigotry". That's why there was such a revolt against it.
        lostlogin 1y ago
        > Speaking against the party line meant exile. But that has got worse, not better. Trump is threatening to cancel contracts with Musk and to Munich him if he funds opposition. That’s the bluntest example of ‘cancel culture’ you’ll find. Also: Musk and Trump deserve each other.
        bobxmax 1y ago
        Of course, I didn't claim that the republicans aren't now doing everything they claimed to revolt against but worse. As it turns out "free speech" absolutism only applies to things that pwn the libz.
      - 1y ago
lostlogin 1y ago
Read the Wiki on his 2016 campaign. Or pretty much anything he said on race prior to the campaign. That he attracted votes from anyone without white skin is amazing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
- bobxmax 1y ago
  Don't just send me a random dump wiki dump. Give me actual racist things he said in 2016.
  - mdale 1y ago
    It's not racist to push baseless claims the opposition who is black was born in Africa and not qualified to run for office ? How else would you define racism if not across xenophobic lines by the color of ones skin ?
    - bobxmax 1y ago
      Obama was not his opposition, and that was not his campaign.
      - sethammons 1y ago
        So when Trump admitted on Howard Stern that he likes to walk in on naked teenage girls because his role of running the teen universe beauty pageant allows him to get away with that, that is ok because he wasn't running a campaign at the time? Jump to 1:38 https://youtu.be/kikTv0I8XVw?si=VVfSpMDt7rKEIcRJ https://youtu.be/kikTv0I8XVw?si=VVfSpMDt7rKEIcRJ
        bobxmax 1y ago
        What the heck are you talking about?
  - lostlogin 1y ago
cosmicgadget 1y ago
This is the part where you feign not hearing dogwhistles. How about this, are you aware of any openly racist organizations that support him?

Can you clarify what Trump's 2016 had to do with race

Daishiman 1y ago

The resentment of a chunk of white Americans who for some reason did not like having a black president.

bobxmax 1y ago
You can't claim that while claiming wanting to elect a black president wasn't a big driver in much of the turnout for Obama. There were multiple musicians literally making songs about finally being able to elect a black president.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  Obama was genuinely qualified to be president. Trump was clearly unfit in 2016 (having never held elected office and run nearly all his businesses into the ground), and constitutionally disqualified after Jan 6 2021. Trump was also reluctant to denounce or criticize white nationalists. He repeated and reposted neo-Nazi content and phrases. He is the one ordering a zealous yet haphazard dismantling of anything that breathes the words racial equity, and without a hint of pushback from his voters.
  - bobxmax 1y ago
    That's your opinion though. Obviously lots of people disagree.
- krapp 1y ago
  Trump's initial popularity was due in no small part to the anger of American white supremacists and the alt-right, this was well documented even back in 2016[0,3]. That the President elected after Obama was the man who mainstreamed the birther conspiracies against Obama was not a coincidence. It wasn't entirely about Obama, but he was the straw that broke white America's back. [0]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/donald-trump-and-the-twilight-of-white-america/482655/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/donald-... [1]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-white-nationalists-alt-right-214388/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump... [2]https://archive.is/tZpFB https://archive.is/tZpFB
  - bobxmax 1y ago
    This wasn't because of racism. This belief is why the left keeps losing to him... a total misunderstanding of what brought him into power. Some of the earliest figureheads of the so-called "alt right" movement were homosexuals and racial minorities Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age. His win was a revolt against emergent phenomenon like "cancel culture".
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age. So, it wasn't bigotry it was just a reaction against the rejection of bigotry?
      - bobxmax 1y ago
        The social justice age wasn't a rejection of bigotry. It was a Mccarthy-esque movement of dividing everybody between sexual and racial lines into a hierarchy of who was and wasn't allowed to speak. Speaking against the party line meant exile. The SJW/Wokeism movement had nothing to do with true equity and "rejection of bigotry". That's why there was such a revolt against it.
        lostlogin 1y ago
        > Speaking against the party line meant exile. But that has got worse, not better. Trump is threatening to cancel contracts with Musk and to Munich him if he funds opposition. That’s the bluntest example of ‘cancel culture’ you’ll find. Also: Musk and Trump deserve each other.
        bobxmax 1y ago
        Of course, I didn't claim that the republicans aren't now doing everything they claimed to revolt against but worse. As it turns out "free speech" absolutism only applies to things that pwn the libz.
    - 1y ago

lostlogin 1y ago

Read the Wiki on his 2016 campaign. Or pretty much anything he said on race prior to the campaign. That he attracted votes from anyone without white skin is amazing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

bobxmax 1y ago
Don't just send me a random dump wiki dump. Give me actual racist things he said in 2016.
- mdale 1y ago
  It's not racist to push baseless claims the opposition who is black was born in Africa and not qualified to run for office ? How else would you define racism if not across xenophobic lines by the color of ones skin ?
  - bobxmax 1y ago
    Obama was not his opposition, and that was not his campaign.
    - sethammons 1y ago
      So when Trump admitted on Howard Stern that he likes to walk in on naked teenage girls because his role of running the teen universe beauty pageant allows him to get away with that, that is ok because he wasn't running a campaign at the time? Jump to 1:38 https://youtu.be/kikTv0I8XVw?si=VVfSpMDt7rKEIcRJ https://youtu.be/kikTv0I8XVw?si=VVfSpMDt7rKEIcRJ
      - bobxmax 1y ago
        What the heck are you talking about?
- lostlogin 1y ago

cosmicgadget 1y ago

This is the part where you feign not hearing dogwhistles. How about this, are you aware of any openly racist organizations that support him?