3 ms·

Lovely, people would go to prison, just to see some porn! > engaging in illegal activities while using a VPN remains prohibited under French law. https://medi

Lovely, people would go to prison, just to see some porn! > engaging in illegal activities while using a VPN remains prohibited under French law. https://medium.com/@green21/is-vpn-legal-in-france-exploring-the-french-approach-to-cybersecurity-and-privacy-in-2024-20d666d5f43e https://medium.com/@green21/is-vpn-legal-in-france-exploring... France has very stupid and strict laws, that apply accross borders! For example paternity test gets you two years, even when physically done in another country!

outside1234 1y ago
Wait what? You can't do a Paternity test in France?
- 2716057 1y ago
  https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F14042?lang=en https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F14042?...
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- throe83949449 1y ago
  Also in Germany and probably some other countries.
- landl0rd 1y ago
  Correct. I believe it has to be court-ordered and even then it's rare. DNA testing is also generally illegal unless for medical reasons. They claim this is to "uphold family peace" because "fatherhood is social, not biological". It seems incredibly wrong to me in that they are removing the father's right to choose whether to enter that social role when it is not biologically mandated.
  - sunshine-o 1y ago
    So even if requested by the mother? Because I was once shocked to learn how easily it is in some countries (like Portugal) for a woman to have the court force a man to submit to a paternity test [0]. I also heard (I guess a few decades ago) the courts would start automatically an investigation on their own when no man would recognise a child at birth. - [0] https://www.tpalaw.pt/xms/files/BANGA_Site/Paternity_investigation.pdf https://www.tpalaw.pt/xms/files/BANGA_Site/Paternity_investi...
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      I assume the difficulty is focused on testing someone that's already listed as the father.
- jacob019 1y ago
  Wild. What is the rationale?
  - seszett 1y ago
    You just can't order a test for someone else (your child) without their consent (so both parents, and a judge because parents don't have absolute rights over their children). Courts order paternity tests just fine though when there is a reasonable doubt. The people concerned can always refuse to be tested though.
  - sunshine-o 1y ago
    Apparently to "keep the peace" and to "protect the children" but I couldn't find any good source on this. Intuitively it seems to me this is the most counterproductive law ever as living with this doubt is the best way to destroy a family.
    - swat535 1y ago
      Right but I think it's mainly about saving tax payer money from child support by shifting the burden to men.
  - cocoto 1y ago
    Protecting the kids I think, because if the dad is not known then the mother will have to pay for the child alone (subsidized by the government). In France around 3% of kids are raised from dads not knowing that they are not the biological father. Personally I think this law is completely unfair but in practice I think the judges will not believe the one opposing the test.
layer8 1y ago
It’s illegal for porn sites in France to operate without imposing age verification. That doesn’t mean that it’s illegal for French residents to use porn sites without age verification.

outside1234 1y ago

Wait what? You can't do a Paternity test in France?

2716057 1y ago
https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F14042?lang=en https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F14042?...
deleted 1y ago
[deleted]
throe83949449 1y ago
Also in Germany and probably some other countries.
landl0rd 1y ago
Correct. I believe it has to be court-ordered and even then it's rare. DNA testing is also generally illegal unless for medical reasons. They claim this is to "uphold family peace" because "fatherhood is social, not biological". It seems incredibly wrong to me in that they are removing the father's right to choose whether to enter that social role when it is not biologically mandated.
- sunshine-o 1y ago
  So even if requested by the mother? Because I was once shocked to learn how easily it is in some countries (like Portugal) for a woman to have the court force a man to submit to a paternity test [0]. I also heard (I guess a few decades ago) the courts would start automatically an investigation on their own when no man would recognise a child at birth. - [0] https://www.tpalaw.pt/xms/files/BANGA_Site/Paternity_investigation.pdf https://www.tpalaw.pt/xms/files/BANGA_Site/Paternity_investi...
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    I assume the difficulty is focused on testing someone that's already listed as the father.
jacob019 1y ago
Wild. What is the rationale?
- seszett 1y ago
  You just can't order a test for someone else (your child) without their consent (so both parents, and a judge because parents don't have absolute rights over their children). Courts order paternity tests just fine though when there is a reasonable doubt. The people concerned can always refuse to be tested though.
- sunshine-o 1y ago
  Apparently to "keep the peace" and to "protect the children" but I couldn't find any good source on this. Intuitively it seems to me this is the most counterproductive law ever as living with this doubt is the best way to destroy a family.
  - swat535 1y ago
    Right but I think it's mainly about saving tax payer money from child support by shifting the burden to men.
- cocoto 1y ago
  Protecting the kids I think, because if the dad is not known then the mother will have to pay for the child alone (subsidized by the government). In France around 3% of kids are raised from dads not knowing that they are not the biological father. Personally I think this law is completely unfair but in practice I think the judges will not believe the one opposing the test.

layer8 1y ago

It’s illegal for porn sites in France to operate without imposing age verification. That doesn’t mean that it’s illegal for French residents to use porn sites without age verification.