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> The DOGE team included the teenage hackers It's amusing to me how so many people want to believe technical workers within the government are apparently all c
by Alupis 1y ago
> The DOGE team included the teenage hackers
It's amusing to me how so many people want to believe technical workers within the government are apparently all crusty, old, 50-something's instead of young "kids" in their twenties and thirties.
NSA, every branch of the military, and more are bursting at the seams with twenty-somethings that have access to some of the most sensitive information on the planet... yet nobody bats an eye.
Then we can consider the technical staff at places such as Experian, Capital One, and more... they're all fairly young too.
This has turned into quite the political narrative... "twenty-somethings have access to your data - be afraid, very afraid!"
- yencabulator 1y agoThere's a big difference in consequences. Military, copy wrong data to random laptop -> court martial.
- Alupis 1y agoAre you suggesting there are no consequences for government employees who willfully steal and/or leak confidential data? The Espionage Act of 1917, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and Economic Espionage Act, among others, beg to differ.
- gtirloni 1y agowith this administration, nobody is suggesting that at all. there is no doubt there are no consequences if you're taking orders directly from the supreme leader or his immediate staff. that's a certainty.
- dinkumthinkum 1y agoWait, which administration are you talking about?
- saghm 1y agoThe one with a convicted criminal at the head of it who's been having a ball abusing his office because of an "immunity" that the Supreme Court invented specifically for him.
- drivingmenuts 1y agoProsecuting crimes under those acts requires an AG who's qualified and isn't kowtowing to a President more than willing to pardon traitors and a judiciary that isn't blindly following a conservative agenda. We are fucked without even the benefit of lube.
- Alupis 1y ago[flagged]
- throw0101c 1y ago> Are you suggesting there are no consequences for government employees who willfully steal and/or leak confidential data? Depends on who your friends in government are. > The Espionage Act of 1917, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and Economic Espionage Act, among others, beg to differ. Assaulting police officers and trying to overthrow the government is also illegal. People have been convicted of it. And yet if you know the right people you won't suffer any consequences: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack_defendants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_Sta...
- stefan_ 1y agoWow, and here I thought it's because the guy calls himself "Big Balls" and has a career in .. Discord crypto scams? You know, hacker as in "criminal", just too stupid to appear on Brian Krebs. No, it was just the age apparently.
- Alupis 1y agoAre you alleging the government did not conduct the normal and required background checks/investigations for security clearances in Coristine's case?
- stefan_ 1y agoAm I talking to GPT? Is your knowledge cutoff 2 years ago? Invoke the web tool, do the research. Bizarre redirect into statute reading, tremendously boring.
- Alupis 1y ago[flagged]
- ofjcihen 1y agoI’m thinking this is just one of those that’s become emotionally invested in defending a certain group for some reason and he’s going to make an argument against anything he perceives as a slight towards them.
- JCattheATM 1y ago> one of those that’s become emotionally invested in defending a certain group for some reason Sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a thing. It's why Q-Anon was able to grow.
- saghm 1y agoThe current government certainly hasn't shown much reverence for following established protocols.
- viraptor 1y agoI'm not sure what what op meant. At least two people there were teenage hackers, but not in a positive sense. They were part of crime organisations. But even concentrating on the age part - people in their 20s are working NSA and others. They're extremely unlikely to have access to the most sensitive information unsupervised since they're not senior enough. And definitely don't have a Yolo level decision making responsibilities. The restrictions, reporting, clearances and rules following in some of those places are unlike anything Doge ever did.
- Alupis 1y ago[flagged]
- JCattheATM 1y ago> That's not how security clearances work. It is under a kakistocracy.
- viraptor 1y ago> That's not how security clearances work. Not sure what you meant by that. Even if you get the clearance of some level, it doesn't mean you get immediate access to everything you want. There are still limits on what work you're actually given. > Neither do the people we're talking about. In theory they don't. But then you get the recent story about the terrible AI document review that resulted in real actions. There's so little control that by stupid actions they ended up effectively making decisions. They literally got banned from working on some information without a supervisor because they were so reckless.
- Alupis 1y ago> Even if you get the clearance of some level, it doesn't mean you get immediate access to everything you want. There are still limits on what work you're actually given. Right, and that's the case here too. They are receiving access to systems and data relevant to the tasks they have been assigned to do. There are consequences if any individual acts maliciously or abusing the access and data they have been granted - just like any other government department/agency/employee. There's so much fearmongering going on regarding this story it's seriously amusing. Just a few years ago Equifax leaked every adult's financial information, including social security numbers and more - and yet the mere possibility of a potential leak (of the exact same information, by the way) is being treated like armageddon. It's politics ramped up to the maximum level...
- JCattheATM 1y ago> It's amusing to me how so many people want to believe technical workers within the government are apparently all crusty, old, 50-something's instead of young "kids" in their twenties and thirties. The word I used was 'teenage'.
- jackmottatx 1y ago[dead]
- jwlake 1y agoThese NEW 20 year olds are scary!