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The DOGE team included several convicted teenage hackers, one known as 'big balls', messing around in government systems and copying data to random laptops. Fa
by JCattheATM 1y ago
The DOGE team included several convicted teenage hackers, one known as 'big balls', messing around in government systems and copying data to random laptops.
Fantastic.
I'll be interested to browse this sensitive data at some point when it inevitably becomes public in the next few years as a result of this kakistocracy.
- Alupis 1y ago> The DOGE team included the teenage hackers It's amusing to me how so many people want to believe technical workers within the government are apparently all crusty, old, 50-something's instead of young "kids" in their twenties and thirties. NSA, every branch of the military, and more are bursting at the seams with twenty-somethings that have access to some of the most sensitive information on the planet... yet nobody bats an eye. Then we can consider the technical staff at places such as Experian, Capital One, and more... they're all fairly young too. This has turned into quite the political narrative... "twenty-somethings have access to your data - be afraid, very afraid!"
- yencabulator 1y agoThere's a big difference in consequences. Military, copy wrong data to random laptop -> court martial.
- Alupis 1y agoAre you suggesting there are no consequences for government employees who willfully steal and/or leak confidential data? The Espionage Act of 1917, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and Economic Espionage Act, among others, beg to differ.
- gtirloni 1y agowith this administration, nobody is suggesting that at all. there is no doubt there are no consequences if you're taking orders directly from the supreme leader or his immediate staff. that's a certainty.
- dinkumthinkum 1y agoWait, which administration are you talking about?
- saghm 1y agoThe one with a convicted criminal at the head of it who's been having a ball abusing his office because of an "immunity" that the Supreme Court invented specifically for him.
- drivingmenuts 1y agoProsecuting crimes under those acts requires an AG who's qualified and isn't kowtowing to a President more than willing to pardon traitors and a judiciary that isn't blindly following a conservative agenda. We are fucked without even the benefit of lube.
- Alupis 1y ago[flagged]
- throw0101c 1y ago> Are you suggesting there are no consequences for government employees who willfully steal and/or leak confidential data? Depends on who your friends in government are. > The Espionage Act of 1917, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and Economic Espionage Act, among others, beg to differ. Assaulting police officers and trying to overthrow the government is also illegal. People have been convicted of it. And yet if you know the right people you won't suffer any consequences: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack_defendants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_Sta...
- stefan_ 1y agoWow, and here I thought it's because the guy calls himself "Big Balls" and has a career in .. Discord crypto scams? You know, hacker as in "criminal", just too stupid to appear on Brian Krebs. No, it was just the age apparently.
- Alupis 1y agoAre you alleging the government did not conduct the normal and required background checks/investigations for security clearances in Coristine's case?
- stefan_ 1y agoAm I talking to GPT? Is your knowledge cutoff 2 years ago? Invoke the web tool, do the research. Bizarre redirect into statute reading, tremendously boring.
- Alupis 1y ago[flagged]
- ofjcihen 1y agoI’m thinking this is just one of those that’s become emotionally invested in defending a certain group for some reason and he’s going to make an argument against anything he perceives as a slight towards them.
- JCattheATM 1y ago> one of those that’s become emotionally invested in defending a certain group for some reason Sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a thing. It's why Q-Anon was able to grow.
- saghm 1y agoThe current government certainly hasn't shown much reverence for following established protocols.
- viraptor 1y agoI'm not sure what what op meant. At least two people there were teenage hackers, but not in a positive sense. They were part of crime organisations. But even concentrating on the age part - people in their 20s are working NSA and others. They're extremely unlikely to have access to the most sensitive information unsupervised since they're not senior enough. And definitely don't have a Yolo level decision making responsibilities. The restrictions, reporting, clearances and rules following in some of those places are unlike anything Doge ever did.
- Alupis 1y ago[flagged]
- JCattheATM 1y ago> That's not how security clearances work. It is under a kakistocracy.
- viraptor 1y ago> That's not how security clearances work. Not sure what you meant by that. Even if you get the clearance of some level, it doesn't mean you get immediate access to everything you want. There are still limits on what work you're actually given. > Neither do the people we're talking about. In theory they don't. But then you get the recent story about the terrible AI document review that resulted in real actions. There's so little control that by stupid actions they ended up effectively making decisions. They literally got banned from working on some information without a supervisor because they were so reckless.
- Alupis 1y ago> Even if you get the clearance of some level, it doesn't mean you get immediate access to everything you want. There are still limits on what work you're actually given. Right, and that's the case here too. They are receiving access to systems and data relevant to the tasks they have been assigned to do. There are consequences if any individual acts maliciously or abusing the access and data they have been granted - just like any other government department/agency/employee. There's so much fearmongering going on regarding this story it's seriously amusing. Just a few years ago Equifax leaked every adult's financial information, including social security numbers and more - and yet the mere possibility of a potential leak (of the exact same information, by the way) is being treated like armageddon. It's politics ramped up to the maximum level...
- JCattheATM 1y ago> It's amusing to me how so many people want to believe technical workers within the government are apparently all crusty, old, 50-something's instead of young "kids" in their twenties and thirties. The word I used was 'teenage'.
- jackmottatx 1y ago[dead]
- jwlake 1y agoThese NEW 20 year olds are scary!
- glimshe 1y agoThe whole 'big balls' thing is a silly ad-hominem that weakens your argument. I've worked with payment processing and some of the guys I saw makes 'big balls' look like an experienced and reliable custodian. Not to mention the high turnover, bargain priced overseas software outsourcing sweatshops.
- ofjcihen 1y agoI don’t know that that makes the argument for them having access to this data any better.
- JCattheATM 1y ago> The whole 'big balls' thing is a silly ad-hominem that weakens your argument. It's not an ad-hom, it's a metric to gauge the maturity of the teenager granted such high level access and responsibility.
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- kevin_thibedeau 1y agoBB is a script kiddie. How would you know how good his DOGE performance is to make a valid comparison.
- wat10000 1y ago"Ad-hominem" translates as "to the person" and means an argument that attacks the person they're arguing against rather than actually addressing the topic being discussed. Here, the topic is a person. It's not an ad-hominem to describe facts about a person when your argument is explicitly about that person.
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- ofjcihen 1y agoNo this is the DOGE team that was demanding that none of their access be logged while also requesting access with no limits from any device at any time. All jokes aside I’m confused why some people are responding to valid criticisms of this team by saying that we only care because they’re young.
- JCattheATM 1y agoBecause they don't have valid defenses or counter-arguments. Not only were the kids, and they were kids, they were also convicted criminals.
- thinkingtoilet 1y agoI don't know anyone who has worked with young 20 somethings and thought that they should have unrestricted access to sensitive data. This is not a comment on these people specifically, it's a comment on all people of that age. I include myself in that group. Under no circumstances should I have been allowed that kind of access at 22.
- latency-guy2 1y agoRight, but that's a comment on yourself, even if you meant that for everyone else. Society absolutely trusts 20 somethings for sensitive data all the time. Don't give me the bullshit about "this situation". Go to your nearest hospital and notices a sea of young nurses handling you and your family's medical data on a clipboard, paper, and a very poorly secured 20 year old workstation. You are inconsistent, and you will continue to be inconsistent. In fact, your bank account info is known by the teller who has similar qualifications, your purchases and address is known by the customer service representative hired straight out of high school or in a call center in Egypt, and so much more. This talking point is entirely a political cudgel that only makes sense to the kind of folk that do not think past their favorite politician's tweets. On that fact, wanna know who's been managing your letters/calls that you've been sending your politician? These ones know your phone number, and any modern filter will be looking for your address.
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- JCattheATM 1y agoI'm pretty skeptical of people that use terms like 'normie' myself. The name itself is not a primary issue, just a gauge of maturity, the bigger issue should probably be the criminal convictions.
- mensetmanusman 1y agoIt’s baseline internet culture these days among the under 40 crowd.
- BLKNSLVR 1y ago'Normie' takes are what's needed when dealing with sensitive data of this scale. "Move fast and break things" is fine for startups risking their own life savings or venture capital. It's not ok for governments that are meant to be looking after the health and welfare of their population. The Clinton / Gore approach seemed to work. Unfortunately it wasn't glamorously headline-making, it was just hard work, so it hasn't been replicated since. "Understanding this culture" is understanding it needs serious adult supervision to work on things that support society itself.
- verandaguy 1y agoOkay, yeah, but you kinda want people in your government to (a) not be defined by their history of trolling, (b) not be associated with crypto scams, and (c) maybe be marginally trained and competent at what they do, no?
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- anonymousiam 1y agoThe US IC uses convicted hackers all the time. I was shocked when I learned that certain felons can still get a TS clearance, as long as they stay clean.
- toomanyrichies 1y agoSource?
- anonymousiam 1y agoPersonal experience. Sorry, I cannot provide anything else. Believe me or don't believe me. I had clearances for over 40 years, now I'm retired.
- mensetmanusman 1y agoSo do faang.
- footlose_3815 1y agoI don't mean to sound like a broken record, but we prove time-and-time-again that the GOP proudly elects puppets and lets them do whatever they want, and they barely care about governing, as long as they get the tax breaks in for the rich ASAP.
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- enaaem 1y agoThis is a great way to arrest someone when you need to get rid of them. When they work for you, you turn a blind eye and let them do what they want. When you want to get rid of them, because they for example are disloyal, you start an investigation and arrest them for corruption or treason.