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Copyright law has always been the most powerful force on the Internet. Which is why its collision with AI companies who pirate the whole Internet is very intere
by pjc50 1y ago
Copyright law has always been the most powerful force on the Internet. Which is why its collision with AI companies who pirate the whole Internet is very interesting.
- ainiriand 1y agoCollusion one might say.
- LunaSea 1y agoThere won't be any collision. Some companies will get some cash, the same way that Google paid to make Google Search the default search engine and the issue will die down.
- Imustaskforhelp 1y agowhen an unstoppable force meets an immovable object One must only imagine the outcome.
- ranger_danger 1y agoIf AI training is piracy then all art made by humans is also piracy... we cannot create anything without drawing inspiration from something else. The question is exactly how much is copied, and how obvious it is.
- rusk 1y agoNo because fair use is for humans not machines
- dragonwriter 1y ago> If AI training is piracy then all art made by humans is also piracy That would only be true if human mental impressions were “fixed media” and therefore (potentially infringing) copies ubder copyright law the way data stored in electronic media in the course of AI training is.
- hulitu 1y ago> If AI training is piracy If it is not, can I install a pirated Windows or Offiice version ? (I use it to train "AI")
- ben_w 1y agoThe Windows source code is almost certainly part of the training data given the leaks. You can use LLMs trained on that to make your own OS if you like. For the same reason that I think it is (1) a bad idea to use an LLM to make your own OS, (2) when the AI is good enough to do that, it won't matter which OSes are or are not open-sourced, nor which OS's source code was used to train a model, as by that point the AI can make any OS for peanuts anyway — given those two points, I think the copyright holders fighting against their stuff teaching AI are missing the forest for the trees.
- Dylan16807 1y agoThe law can be different between humans and machines! Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesn't make sense, but either way the law can do it. The law doesn't have to follow first principles.
- const_cast 1y agoYes, this exactly. I don't know how people keep missing this. There's no rule anywhere saying we have to treat computer programs as if they're humans and extend them the same rights. Why would we do that? Says who? Also, we don't do that, not with AI. We're not talking about paying AI for their labor, or giving them digital housing or something. We only care about the human rights we can extract profits from, other than that these are digital slaves. Which, I'm fine with digital slaves. They're bits on a computer. But then we need to do that, and we can't be doing this whole "welllll they're basically people" bit we're doing with learning.
- tim333 1y agoCopyright law struggles against information wanting to be free. You can get almost anything in contravention of it by typing the odd magic word like libgen or pirate bay or scihub. I imagine even if the French crack down on the big VPNs there will be offshore ones that ignore the French courts.