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There needs to be a worldwide standard, such as an HTML tag, that says "no training". And a few countries need to make it a punishable offense to violate the ta

There needs to be a worldwide standard, such as an HTML tag, that says "no training". And a few countries need to make it a punishable offense to violate the tag. The punishment should be exceptionally severe, not just a fine. For example: any company that violates the tag should be completely barred from operating, forever.

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twostorytower 1y ago
It needs to be incorporated into the robots.txt standard.
anigbrowl 1y ago
That will just lead to situations where one company scrapes the site, cleans the content of tags, and sells the data, and another does the training on the precleaned data. The first one hasn't trained and the second one never saw the tag.
- vouaobrasil 1y ago
  Companies who are found guilty of this should also be rendered bankrupt then.
- vharuck 1y ago
  This isn't a new concept in law. It's similar to buying goods that were stolen or procured through illegal means. Here's the US law that applies when it happens across state lines: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2315 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2315 Note that it requires the defendant to know the goods were illegally taken. Can be hard to prove, but not impossible for companies with email trails. The fun question is, what will the analog be for the government confiscating the illegally "taken" data? A guarantee of deletion and requirement to retrain the model from scratch?
kiratp 1y ago
That will play out exactly like the "Do not track" bit did.
- vouaobrasil 1y ago
  Perhaps we should try anyway, in case you are wrong.
- insane_dreamer 1y ago
  how did that play out?
logicchains 1y ago
>There needs to be a worldwide standard, such as an HTML tag, that says "no training" Any country that seriously implemented this would just end up being completely dominated by the autonomous robot soldiers of another country that didn't, because it effectively bans the development of embodied AGI (which can learn live from seeing/reading something, like a human can).

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twostorytower 1y ago

It needs to be incorporated into the robots.txt standard.

anigbrowl 1y ago

That will just lead to situations where one company scrapes the site, cleans the content of tags, and sells the data, and another does the training on the precleaned data. The first one hasn't trained and the second one never saw the tag.

vouaobrasil 1y ago
Companies who are found guilty of this should also be rendered bankrupt then.
vharuck 1y ago
This isn't a new concept in law. It's similar to buying goods that were stolen or procured through illegal means. Here's the US law that applies when it happens across state lines: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2315 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2315 Note that it requires the defendant to know the goods were illegally taken. Can be hard to prove, but not impossible for companies with email trails. The fun question is, what will the analog be for the government confiscating the illegally "taken" data? A guarantee of deletion and requirement to retrain the model from scratch?

kiratp 1y ago

That will play out exactly like the "Do not track" bit did.

vouaobrasil 1y ago
Perhaps we should try anyway, in case you are wrong.
insane_dreamer 1y ago
how did that play out?

logicchains 1y ago

>There needs to be a worldwide standard, such as an HTML tag, that says "no training" Any country that seriously implemented this would just end up being completely dominated by the autonomous robot soldiers of another country that didn't, because it effectively bans the development of embodied AGI (which can learn live from seeing/reading something, like a human can).