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If you're drinking coffee or reading emails your reaction speed can be way too long to react. Which makes me think: if FSD requires constant hands on steering

by Yeul 1y ago

If you're drinking coffee or reading emails your reaction speed can be way too long to react. Which makes me think: if FSD requires constant hands on steering wheel and concentration what is the point? May as well drive yourself.

Dylan16807 1y ago
You're right but also keep in mind that FSD is level 2.
vel0city 1y ago
I've had several different cars from a few different manufacturers with different levels of ADAS systems and have used them on many long road trips and short trips. I haven't used any Tesla ADAS system for very long though. The highest level of ADAS system I use regularly has facial attentiveness tracking. If you spend too much time drinking coffee or even looking out the sides of the car it will alert you and eventually turn off. So you're not spending a ton of time drinking coffee or reading emails. It's really nice having the car just want to stay in the center of the lane and keep the following distance all on its own. It's less fatiguing on your hands and arms having the car feel like it's in a groove following all the curves for you instead of resisting your input all the time for hours and hours. It's incredibly nice not having to switch between the brake and the gas over and over in stop and go traffic. Instead, the only thing I need to focus on are the drivers around me and be ready to brake. I've driven between Houston, Dallas, and Austin dozens of times with ADAS systems and another dozen or so times with only basic cruise control. It's way nicer when the only time I have to touch the gas and brake are getting on and off the highways. I'm considerably more relaxed and less exhausted getting to my destination. Let's assume all these options are either the same price or an immaterial difference to the price of your next car. If you had an option for a car with basic cruise control or no cruise control, which one would you take? If the option was basic cruise or adaptive cruise which kept pace with traffic and operated in stop and go conditions, which would you choose?
- Yeul 1y ago
  You're right cruise control or whatever you want to call it is definitely great on long journeys on the highway. Maybe car makers should concentrate on those systems?
  - vel0city 1y ago
    They are, other than Tesla. GM's SuperCruise, Ford's BlueCruise, and Mercedes DrivePilot are the few actually hands-free driving systems made by the legacy automotive companies and they're all largely locked to only fully operate on mapped and approved highways.
reginald78 1y ago
I actually think its worse than driving yourself. Humans are OK at doing a repetitive task non-stop. They're terrible at sitting still doing nothing waiting to quickly spring into action. They fall asleep or their mind wanders. This is something a computer is good at yet we've got it reversed. The car drives along doing mundane things but then hands it over to groggy human right when things really get hairy. And then there's the skill atrophy. How do you learn to perform in stressful situations? By building up confidence and experience with constant repetition in more mundane ones, which this robs you of.

by Yeul 1y ago

Dylan16807 1y ago

You're right but also keep in mind that FSD is level 2.

vel0city 1y ago

I've had several different cars from a few different manufacturers with different levels of ADAS systems and have used them on many long road trips and short trips. I haven't used any Tesla ADAS system for very long though. The highest level of ADAS system I use regularly has facial attentiveness tracking. If you spend too much time drinking coffee or even looking out the sides of the car it will alert you and eventually turn off. So you're not spending a ton of time drinking coffee or reading emails. It's really nice having the car just want to stay in the center of the lane and keep the following distance all on its own. It's less fatiguing on your hands and arms having the car feel like it's in a groove following all the curves for you instead of resisting your input all the time for hours and hours. It's incredibly nice not having to switch between the brake and the gas over and over in stop and go traffic. Instead, the only thing I need to focus on are the drivers around me and be ready to brake. I've driven between Houston, Dallas, and Austin dozens of times with ADAS systems and another dozen or so times with only basic cruise control. It's way nicer when the only time I have to touch the gas and brake are getting on and off the highways. I'm considerably more relaxed and less exhausted getting to my destination. Let's assume all these options are either the same price or an immaterial difference to the price of your next car. If you had an option for a car with basic cruise control or no cruise control, which one would you take? If the option was basic cruise or adaptive cruise which kept pace with traffic and operated in stop and go conditions, which would you choose?

Yeul 1y ago
You're right cruise control or whatever you want to call it is definitely great on long journeys on the highway. Maybe car makers should concentrate on those systems?
- vel0city 1y ago
  They are, other than Tesla. GM's SuperCruise, Ford's BlueCruise, and Mercedes DrivePilot are the few actually hands-free driving systems made by the legacy automotive companies and they're all largely locked to only fully operate on mapped and approved highways.

reginald78 1y ago

I actually think its worse than driving yourself. Humans are OK at doing a repetitive task non-stop. They're terrible at sitting still doing nothing waiting to quickly spring into action. They fall asleep or their mind wanders. This is something a computer is good at yet we've got it reversed. The car drives along doing mundane things but then hands it over to groggy human right when things really get hairy. And then there's the skill atrophy. How do you learn to perform in stressful situations? By building up confidence and experience with constant repetition in more mundane ones, which this robs you of.