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But then how to we compare with dogs who has better smell sense, cats that have better motor skills, birds better orientation and navigation, other animals that

by pzo 1y ago

But then how to we compare with dogs who has better smell sense, cats that have better motor skills, birds better orientation and navigation, other animals that better see at night? There were many people in human history that made big achievement even though handicapped: Ludwig van Beethoven, Steven Hawking, John Nash - but yeah they haven't been born with disabilities so had their all childhood to train their brain. I generally don't understand this obsession about needing AGI. If current LLMs can be extended to humanoid so just get motor modality and keeping current vision, audio, text ability IMHO they will excel in many fields like currently they excel in text, vision, audio than most humans.

Dylan16807 1y ago
If you gave a dog nose and sharper eyes to a human I think they'd have a measurable advantage. But brain is most important and those animals are not getting anywhere near a human. I've never heard of cats having better motor skills, can you elaborate on that? They don't seem very good at fine movement.
- _Algernon_ 1y ago
  Depends what you consider better motor skills, but I couldn't fall head first from a two story building, land on my feet and shrug it off. My cat likely could. I'd also struggle to hunt a healthy bird without tools to assist me. Then again, my cat lacks opposable thumbs and would struggle to draw a line on a piece of paper with a pen.
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    If you were the size of a cat you'd be pretty well suited to survive that. The flipping reflex is cool but falling that distance is mostly not a motor skills problem. A cat struggles to move their paw through the air in a smooth straight line.
    - pzo 1y ago
      cats are amazing hunters with great reaction. Most likely small dogs or different animals won't handle such drop from 2 story building so well. Check some 1st person (cat) video to see how they behave, they can analyze and make decision very fast - human reaction time when driving car is very big comparing to cat reaction. So this is what I find as motor inteligence. If someone can process and think very fast we consider them intelligent and in the same way we should consider cat smart how fast and well they can plan escape from dogs chasing them or they hunting for prey. Imagine how difficult would be to make robot to do this all calculation about different jumps etc.

by pzo 1y ago

Dylan16807 1y ago

If you gave a dog nose and sharper eyes to a human I think they'd have a measurable advantage. But brain is most important and those animals are not getting anywhere near a human. I've never heard of cats having better motor skills, can you elaborate on that? They don't seem very good at fine movement.

_Algernon_ 1y ago
Depends what you consider better motor skills, but I couldn't fall head first from a two story building, land on my feet and shrug it off. My cat likely could. I'd also struggle to hunt a healthy bird without tools to assist me. Then again, my cat lacks opposable thumbs and would struggle to draw a line on a piece of paper with a pen.
- Dylan16807 1y ago
  If you were the size of a cat you'd be pretty well suited to survive that. The flipping reflex is cool but falling that distance is mostly not a motor skills problem. A cat struggles to move their paw through the air in a smooth straight line.
  - pzo 1y ago
    cats are amazing hunters with great reaction. Most likely small dogs or different animals won't handle such drop from 2 story building so well. Check some 1st person (cat) video to see how they behave, they can analyze and make decision very fast - human reaction time when driving car is very big comparing to cat reaction. So this is what I find as motor inteligence. If someone can process and think very fast we consider them intelligent and in the same way we should consider cat smart how fast and well they can plan escape from dogs chasing them or they hunting for prey. Imagine how difficult would be to make robot to do this all calculation about different jumps etc.