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> Opposition is basically letting them do whatever they want unhindered what do you propose they do, being entirely out of power?

netsharc 1y ago
I feel like the Dems need to be doing a lot of PR, the public needs to hear them attack the Low-IQ autocrat every day. Maybe they're doing this but the media aren't reporting it, in which case they need to engage with the media better... Without this engagement, even if it's just futile noisemaking, the voters will surely think in the next election cycle "why should we vote for you, when you haven't done anything the last 2 years?"
- shigawire 1y ago
  What do you see as "the media"? The media landscape is so fractured, everyone has their own "feed". I have seen Dems constantly attacking Trump, if you haven't consider the news you consume may simply be different. There is not one mainstream to push anymore.
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    My main media is Reddit, Youtube, and a few other sites so I do in fact see some fight coming out of the D's. There should be much more given the severity of these various issues, but I see some hope. It is sad that legacy media has almost completely given up on reporting most of this stuff, though. as for the "mainstream social media", I'm not sure how effective the instagrams, tiktoks, etc. are at delivering these messages. I know some congressmen on are on there. Perhaps not enough, though. Or perhaps they don't get how to reach their people.
- mrguyorama 1y ago
  Where are Dems supposed to make this noise? They don't have 120 million subscribers like Joe Rogan does. Where is the bullhorn the democrats are supposed to be using that isn't literally owned by a rich guy who benefits from lower taxes when the democrats are not in power? Twitter is owned by Elon. Facebook by Zuck.
  - ryandrake 1y ago
    The right did not grow their propagandists and build their bullhorn overnight. They have been planning and moving their chess pieces for decades. Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, Laura Ingraham... This network and its audience was carefully and strategically built and cultivated over at least 40 years. It's going to take actual planning, hard work, and long hours for the other side to catch up.
PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
In the Senate, they could force filibusters on everything, and impose maximal procedural roadblocks on everything. They did this successfully for a Duckworth-sponsored anti-trans bill, which could not muster 60 votes to break the filibuster. In the House, or rather out of the house, they could get their media circus in 10,000% better shape than it is in right now, and consistently deliver a powerful, viral, troll-y, and savvy message about Trump, 8 times a day, across many different media environments.
- ryandrake 1y ago
  This has veered fully into politics, but... In addition to that bare minimum obstruction they should be doing but aren't, they could also be working on the policy and people that they see winning in 2028. Where is the Democrat's own "Project 2029" document? The Heritage Foundation has been publishing their detailed, written plans since at least Reagan. Where is the Democrat's version of Trump that can win back rural populists? Why isn't he on TV every day hyping up their base like Trump hypes up his base?
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    It's about the IRS, so politics is inevitable. I do agree that that is the biggest issue in both DNC and RNC though. There's been a clear divide between what DNC wants to run and what the actual democrats want out of the party. Polls suggest from the latter that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) is one of the biggest role models of a proper opponent in 2028, but it's been clear the DNC has been fighting against that for almost a decade now, for a variety of reasons. RNC has a similar issue, once Trump is gone. There's already cracks forming in various different interests of republicans, but they all loosely rally around Trump. If/when Trump kicks the bucket, I don't see who can hold that cult of personality. Vance has very low charisma, and Mike Johnson seems too establishment (for voters that very much voted against establishment). I don't really see a protégé that is carrying whatever that MAGA mindset people want out of the movement.
    - cj 1y ago
      I tend to believe that the MAGA movement will stop and end when Trump is out of power. I think people will return to being okay with boring politics and not attention grabbing personalities once he exits the picture. On both sides. That's also why I don't think AOC has a chance, she will have trouble appealing to moderates and conservatives.
johnnyanmac 1y ago
I think it's less about trying to get wins (most understand that congress dems are the minority) and more about resisting these anti-citizen acts as much as possible. Having 4 or 5 democrats vote on an R bill a few months back really put a nasty taste in people's mouths. Among all the crazy cabinet appointments that some voted on Basically, the democrats want fighters. We're well past bi-partisan tasks where we should just faciliate any kind of bill that comes up. Because very few are reasonable.
- bsder 1y ago
  > Basically, the democrats want fighters. Trump called and got Jan 6th. Democrats called and nobody could be bothered to show up to vote.
egypturnash 1y ago
fllibuster so hard the majority finally decides to nuke it
brutal_chaos_ 1y ago
Practically, anything besides what Schumer does?

netsharc 1y ago

I feel like the Dems need to be doing a lot of PR, the public needs to hear them attack the Low-IQ autocrat every day. Maybe they're doing this but the media aren't reporting it, in which case they need to engage with the media better... Without this engagement, even if it's just futile noisemaking, the voters will surely think in the next election cycle "why should we vote for you, when you haven't done anything the last 2 years?"

shigawire 1y ago
What do you see as "the media"? The media landscape is so fractured, everyone has their own "feed". I have seen Dems constantly attacking Trump, if you haven't consider the news you consume may simply be different. There is not one mainstream to push anymore.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  My main media is Reddit, Youtube, and a few other sites so I do in fact see some fight coming out of the D's. There should be much more given the severity of these various issues, but I see some hope. It is sad that legacy media has almost completely given up on reporting most of this stuff, though. as for the "mainstream social media", I'm not sure how effective the instagrams, tiktoks, etc. are at delivering these messages. I know some congressmen on are on there. Perhaps not enough, though. Or perhaps they don't get how to reach their people.
mrguyorama 1y ago
Where are Dems supposed to make this noise? They don't have 120 million subscribers like Joe Rogan does. Where is the bullhorn the democrats are supposed to be using that isn't literally owned by a rich guy who benefits from lower taxes when the democrats are not in power? Twitter is owned by Elon. Facebook by Zuck.
- ryandrake 1y ago
  The right did not grow their propagandists and build their bullhorn overnight. They have been planning and moving their chess pieces for decades. Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, Laura Ingraham... This network and its audience was carefully and strategically built and cultivated over at least 40 years. It's going to take actual planning, hard work, and long hours for the other side to catch up.

PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago

In the Senate, they could force filibusters on everything, and impose maximal procedural roadblocks on everything. They did this successfully for a Duckworth-sponsored anti-trans bill, which could not muster 60 votes to break the filibuster. In the House, or rather out of the house, they could get their media circus in 10,000% better shape than it is in right now, and consistently deliver a powerful, viral, troll-y, and savvy message about Trump, 8 times a day, across many different media environments.

ryandrake 1y ago
This has veered fully into politics, but... In addition to that bare minimum obstruction they should be doing but aren't, they could also be working on the policy and people that they see winning in 2028. Where is the Democrat's own "Project 2029" document? The Heritage Foundation has been publishing their detailed, written plans since at least Reagan. Where is the Democrat's version of Trump that can win back rural populists? Why isn't he on TV every day hyping up their base like Trump hypes up his base?
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  It's about the IRS, so politics is inevitable. I do agree that that is the biggest issue in both DNC and RNC though. There's been a clear divide between what DNC wants to run and what the actual democrats want out of the party. Polls suggest from the latter that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) is one of the biggest role models of a proper opponent in 2028, but it's been clear the DNC has been fighting against that for almost a decade now, for a variety of reasons. RNC has a similar issue, once Trump is gone. There's already cracks forming in various different interests of republicans, but they all loosely rally around Trump. If/when Trump kicks the bucket, I don't see who can hold that cult of personality. Vance has very low charisma, and Mike Johnson seems too establishment (for voters that very much voted against establishment). I don't really see a protégé that is carrying whatever that MAGA mindset people want out of the movement.
  - cj 1y ago
    I tend to believe that the MAGA movement will stop and end when Trump is out of power. I think people will return to being okay with boring politics and not attention grabbing personalities once he exits the picture. On both sides. That's also why I don't think AOC has a chance, she will have trouble appealing to moderates and conservatives.

johnnyanmac 1y ago

I think it's less about trying to get wins (most understand that congress dems are the minority) and more about resisting these anti-citizen acts as much as possible. Having 4 or 5 democrats vote on an R bill a few months back really put a nasty taste in people's mouths. Among all the crazy cabinet appointments that some voted on Basically, the democrats want fighters. We're well past bi-partisan tasks where we should just faciliate any kind of bill that comes up. Because very few are reasonable.

bsder 1y ago
> Basically, the democrats want fighters. Trump called and got Jan 6th. Democrats called and nobody could be bothered to show up to vote.

egypturnash 1y ago

fllibuster so hard the majority finally decides to nuke it

brutal_chaos_ 1y ago

Practically, anything besides what Schumer does?