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Understatement of the millenium, but Yarvin has written a lot more than "let's do fascist technocracy!" I find his writing style wastes a lot of one's time and

Understatement of the millenium, but Yarvin has written a lot more than "let's do fascist technocracy!" I find his writing style wastes a lot of one's time and I disagree with him on nearly everything, but there's no denying that there are many interesting ideas in there.

atemerev 1y ago
I never found any of his ideas interesting. Unusual, maybe, but unusual does not mean interesting. I come from a country with a history of autocracy, and it has been an absolute dogma for me to not touch anything autocratic with a six-mile pole. Well, I hope the rest of the world now will get the memo too, before we'll need a world war to crystallize the lesson.
kiitos 1y ago
I absolutely deny that there are any interesting ideas in there. We've done this, it was called the dark ages and it sucked and we moved past it. Engaging with this pablum in any way is granting it attention and vigor it obviously doesn't deserve.
- coldtea 1y ago
  >We've done this, it was called the dark ages and it sucked and we moved past it. Well, the "dark ages" is now widely considered a misnomer, and that time is seen as an important era development-wise.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    But the development was very slow, and it was held back by policy and a stronghold by leaders onto the status-quo.
    - coldtea 1y ago
      On the other hand, it was development and stability - in an era where the previous Roman system had collapsed. Whereas now many argue it's decline and regression in many areas compared to recent past.
  - kiitos 1y ago
    No, it is not widely considered to be a misnomer. What are you trying to communicate with this comment?
sanderjd 1y ago
I agree with the other replies that I've never been able to find any interesting ideas amidst his schlock, but I'm wondering what "many interesting ideas" you see, from your prospective? Just a couple examples would be useful. It's totally possible I've missed them because I haven't ever been able to engage with his writing.
- homefree 1y ago
  He's pretty thoughtful about how power is actually leveraged and has interesting insights around these ideas, particularly areas of democratic failure that I think are worth thinking about. I think his solutions are more questionable, but his writing is at least worth engaging with. I think people just dismiss him out of hand because he's a political enemy.
  - sanderjd 1y ago
    I'm worried I'm sealioning, but could you possibly point me to one of these thoughtful pieces? It's a lot to wade through for me to try to figure out what you're talking about without any pointers... I did read a decent amount of his "mencius moldbug" stuff back in the day, and I just wouldn't describe it the way you do in this comment, so I'm wondering what I'm missing.
    - homefree 1y ago
      https://graymirror.substack.com/p/its-easy-from-here https://graymirror.substack.com/p/its-easy-from-here
      - sanderjd 1y ago
        Hmmm, ok, I read this. Are there any parts of it that you find particularly thoughtful about power or areas of democratic failure that are worth thinking about? I think we probably just fundamentally disagree here, because to me, this whole thing seems like drivel. Are there gems in there that I'm just not recognizing?

atemerev 1y ago

I never found any of his ideas interesting. Unusual, maybe, but unusual does not mean interesting. I come from a country with a history of autocracy, and it has been an absolute dogma for me to not touch anything autocratic with a six-mile pole. Well, I hope the rest of the world now will get the memo too, before we'll need a world war to crystallize the lesson.

kiitos 1y ago

I absolutely deny that there are any interesting ideas in there. We've done this, it was called the dark ages and it sucked and we moved past it. Engaging with this pablum in any way is granting it attention and vigor it obviously doesn't deserve.

coldtea 1y ago
>We've done this, it was called the dark ages and it sucked and we moved past it. Well, the "dark ages" is now widely considered a misnomer, and that time is seen as an important era development-wise.
- const_cast 1y ago
  But the development was very slow, and it was held back by policy and a stronghold by leaders onto the status-quo.
  - coldtea 1y ago
    On the other hand, it was development and stability - in an era where the previous Roman system had collapsed. Whereas now many argue it's decline and regression in many areas compared to recent past.
- kiitos 1y ago
  No, it is not widely considered to be a misnomer. What are you trying to communicate with this comment?

sanderjd 1y ago

I agree with the other replies that I've never been able to find any interesting ideas amidst his schlock, but I'm wondering what "many interesting ideas" you see, from your prospective? Just a couple examples would be useful. It's totally possible I've missed them because I haven't ever been able to engage with his writing.

homefree 1y ago
He's pretty thoughtful about how power is actually leveraged and has interesting insights around these ideas, particularly areas of democratic failure that I think are worth thinking about. I think his solutions are more questionable, but his writing is at least worth engaging with. I think people just dismiss him out of hand because he's a political enemy.
- sanderjd 1y ago
  I'm worried I'm sealioning, but could you possibly point me to one of these thoughtful pieces? It's a lot to wade through for me to try to figure out what you're talking about without any pointers... I did read a decent amount of his "mencius moldbug" stuff back in the day, and I just wouldn't describe it the way you do in this comment, so I'm wondering what I'm missing.
  - homefree 1y ago
    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/its-easy-from-here https://graymirror.substack.com/p/its-easy-from-here
    - sanderjd 1y ago
      Hmmm, ok, I read this. Are there any parts of it that you find particularly thoughtful about power or areas of democratic failure that are worth thinking about? I think we probably just fundamentally disagree here, because to me, this whole thing seems like drivel. Are there gems in there that I'm just not recognizing?