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What if it just makes most jobs worse, or replaces good jobs with more, worse jobs? "Meat robot constantly monitored and directed by AI overlords" is technicall

What if it just makes most jobs worse, or replaces good jobs with more, worse jobs? "Meat robot constantly monitored and directed by AI overlords" is technically a job.

qoez 1y ago
I can't make up my mind if I'd prefer an AI boss or not. Human bosses can be quite terrible and not having to deal with an emotional being seems kinda nice.
- coaksford 1y ago
  Don’t worry, it wouldn’t replace your human boss, you’d just have both bosses.
- johnpaulkiser 1y ago
  Let me help you. An AI boss would be 100x worse.
- LPisGood 1y ago
  AI bosses can also be quite nice and having the benefits of reporting to an emotional being is kinda nice.
- AstroBen 1y ago
  Don't forget that AI boss would be controlled by a human.. a human who has no idea how it works
- roywiggins 1y ago
  Your human boss can't feasibly maintain a panopticon with only their human brain, AI arguably can. Every single word uttered or pixel emitted can be saved and analyzed, for relative pennies.
- monknomo 1y ago
  your ai boss isn't going to bend rules for you, and isn't going to advocate for you. You can see how an ai boss would go by looking to amazon warehouses and drivers, or call centers, and how those folks are managed. It's already by computer, they already uses machines learning to detect when people are deviating from expected rails, and you can decide for yourself if that looks appealing
lapcat 1y ago
> What if it just makes most jobs worse, or replaces good jobs with more, worse jobs? Right. Consider: 1) Senior engineer writing code vs. 2) Senior engineer prompting and code reviewing LLM agent The senior engineer is essential to the process in each case, because the LLM agent left to its own devices will produce nonfunctional crap. But think about the pleasantness of the job and the job satisfaction of the senior engineer? Speaking just for myself, I'd rather quit the industry than spend my career babysitting nonhuman A.I. That's not what I signed up for.
- shafyy 1y ago
  Same. I actually like writing code, reviewing code that my colleagues have written, having interesting technical discusisons. I don't want to spend my days reviewing code that some AI has written. But I guess if you don't like writing code, and you are "just doing it for the money", having an LLM write all the code for you is fine. As long as it passes some very low bar of quality — which, let's be honest — is enough for most companies (i.e. software factories) out there.
- AstroBen 1y ago
  As of right now it's actually making my job much more enjoyable. It lets me focus on the things I enjoy thinking about - code design, architecture, and the higher level of how to solve problems I haven't seen any evidence its made progress on these which is nice
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- HeyLaughingBoy 1y ago
  Same here. But for every one of us, there are probably 10 people out there who'd be more happy babysitting an LLM than actually writing code.
- sasmithjr 1y ago
  I don't think it's an exclusive choice between the two, though. I think senior engineers will end up doing both. Looking at GitHub Copilot's agent, it can work asynchronously from the user, so a senior engineer can send it off to work on multiple issues at once while still working on tasks that aren't well suited for the agent. And really, I think many senior engineers are already doing both in a lot of cases where they're helping guide and teach junior and early mid-level developers.
Mobius01 1y ago
This reminded me of this short story where the AI disruption starts as a work management software directing workers in a burger shop: https://marshallbrain.com/manna1 https://marshallbrain.com/manna1
wnc3141 1y ago
I think we saw that with the "vibe session" from a year or so ago. People were technically employed through door dash and other dead end jobs while overall economic agency shrank.

What if it just makes most jobs worse, or replaces good jobs with more, worse jobs? "Meat robot constantly monitored and directed by AI overlords" is technically a job.

qoez 1y ago

I can't make up my mind if I'd prefer an AI boss or not. Human bosses can be quite terrible and not having to deal with an emotional being seems kinda nice.

coaksford 1y ago
Don’t worry, it wouldn’t replace your human boss, you’d just have both bosses.
johnpaulkiser 1y ago
Let me help you. An AI boss would be 100x worse.
LPisGood 1y ago
AI bosses can also be quite nice and having the benefits of reporting to an emotional being is kinda nice.
AstroBen 1y ago
Don't forget that AI boss would be controlled by a human.. a human who has no idea how it works
roywiggins 1y ago
Your human boss can't feasibly maintain a panopticon with only their human brain, AI arguably can. Every single word uttered or pixel emitted can be saved and analyzed, for relative pennies.
monknomo 1y ago
your ai boss isn't going to bend rules for you, and isn't going to advocate for you. You can see how an ai boss would go by looking to amazon warehouses and drivers, or call centers, and how those folks are managed. It's already by computer, they already uses machines learning to detect when people are deviating from expected rails, and you can decide for yourself if that looks appealing

lapcat 1y ago

> What if it just makes most jobs worse, or replaces good jobs with more, worse jobs? Right. Consider: 1) Senior engineer writing code vs. 2) Senior engineer prompting and code reviewing LLM agent The senior engineer is essential to the process in each case, because the LLM agent left to its own devices will produce nonfunctional crap. But think about the pleasantness of the job and the job satisfaction of the senior engineer? Speaking just for myself, I'd rather quit the industry than spend my career babysitting nonhuman A.I. That's not what I signed up for.

shafyy 1y ago
Same. I actually like writing code, reviewing code that my colleagues have written, having interesting technical discusisons. I don't want to spend my days reviewing code that some AI has written. But I guess if you don't like writing code, and you are "just doing it for the money", having an LLM write all the code for you is fine. As long as it passes some very low bar of quality — which, let's be honest — is enough for most companies (i.e. software factories) out there.
AstroBen 1y ago
As of right now it's actually making my job much more enjoyable. It lets me focus on the things I enjoy thinking about - code design, architecture, and the higher level of how to solve problems I haven't seen any evidence its made progress on these which is nice
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HeyLaughingBoy 1y ago
Same here. But for every one of us, there are probably 10 people out there who'd be more happy babysitting an LLM than actually writing code.
sasmithjr 1y ago
I don't think it's an exclusive choice between the two, though. I think senior engineers will end up doing both. Looking at GitHub Copilot's agent, it can work asynchronously from the user, so a senior engineer can send it off to work on multiple issues at once while still working on tasks that aren't well suited for the agent. And really, I think many senior engineers are already doing both in a lot of cases where they're helping guide and teach junior and early mid-level developers.

Mobius01 1y ago

This reminded me of this short story where the AI disruption starts as a work management software directing workers in a burger shop: https://marshallbrain.com/manna1 https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

wnc3141 1y ago

I think we saw that with the "vibe session" from a year or so ago. People were technically employed through door dash and other dead end jobs while overall economic agency shrank.