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Sun Tzu says it better: "A military operation involves deception." He could be telling the truth, he could be lying... A drone programmed to automatically boo
by netsharc 1y ago
Sun Tzu says it better:
"A military operation involves deception."
He could be telling the truth, he could be lying... A drone programmed to automatically boot up , check its location, and if it's at the right coordinates, take off and crash at some other coordinates (the airfield) is more satisfying to "fans" of automated warfare.
For extra fun, add some other code to "look for plane-like objects to crash into", but now you're approaching dangerous territory of "What if a civilian 737 happens to be boarding at this airfield"...
The reports also mention the truck roof opening remotely, one could also use GPS coordinates to trigger this. But doing it manually from a distance, after checking the surveillance cameras that the coast is clear, is more reliable.
I guess they used smartphones and SIM cards with mobile data for the remote communication...
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 1y agoThey did more than crash at coordinates, they targeted specific parts of the different aircraft.
- RenThraysk 1y agoOnly need one camera drone capable of identifying targets. And just tells another drone to bomb it.
- 4gotunameagain 1y ago..in theory. In practice, building such a complex system in a fail safe way is not that easy.
- RenThraysk 1y agoStill only need one camera drone if a human is spotting targets.
- 4gotunameagain 1y agoIn theory. In practice you would not allow a single camera drone to be the single point of failure of a mission with such lengthy and risky planning, and dire consequences.
- Yeul 1y agoThey had a limited amount of drones in those containers they needed to make them count. My money is on operators.
- RenThraysk 1y agoStill only need one flying drone to identify all targets. There maybe more camera drones available to pilot, but still only need one flying to spot. A static target only needs to be seen once.
- dmkolobov 1y agoI understand that you’re probably just gonna reply with “still only need one camera” …but if GPS is jammed, and there’s only one camera per fleet, how exactly are the other drones supposed to navigate towards the spotted targets unless they’re all equipped with cameras?
- RenThraysk 1y agoOne camera drone can see if another drone is on target.
- dmkolobov 1y agoSo the old “use a single unreliable 2D instrument to coordinate multiple fast-moving projectiles in three dimensional space” approach.
- RenThraysk 1y agoYou are just continuing to spout nonsense. Camera drone hovers above target and kamakazi drone intersects the line between camera and target, and drops.
- gosub100 1y ago"in a fail safe way" goes out the window in wartime.
- 4gotunameagain 1y agoI meant safe for the mission, not for any innocent souls around..
- XorNot 1y agoCameras are incredibly cheap though. There's basically no reason not to put them on everything.
- shrubble 1y agoOr can “paint it” with an infrared laser point and then the drone can use simple sensors to guide itself to the target.
- mensetmanusman 1y ago“Don’t attack this plane that already has a hole in it” The startup attempting this would need Actual Indians for the first few special ops attempts before getting the true AI experience.
- Muromec 1y agoIt's a military airfield, so no civilian 737 there. There seems to be a video from the drone, meaning some kind of connectivity was present with or without autopilot.
- m4rtink 1y agoReportedly it was just running over local mobile internet connectivity. The attack was over so quickly they would likely not even have time to shut it down.
- keepamovin 1y agoIt's strange - blocking GPS is typical around military sites. So, assume the drones were hard-coded to zero a location - they couldn't do it, as GPS would be blocked. They had to be piloted. Interesting.
- XorNot 1y agoInertial navigation is a thing though. Your smart phone has a very capable accelerometer for a short flight.
- mensetmanusman 1y agoError propagation makes inertial navigation only useful over short distances.
- gosub100 1y agoIn addition to the other reply, it might have been done with CV. Identify landmarks to get bearings, drop bomb on thing that looks like airplane.
- cma 1y agoSaw something saying they trained them on old Soviet planes at a military museum https://www.kyivpost.com/post/53784 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/53784
- wiseowise 1y ago> For extra fun, add some other code to "look for plane-like objects to crash into", but now you're approaching dangerous territory of "What if a civilian 737 happens to be boarding at this airfield"... Civilian 737 boarding airfield where Russia keeps strategic nuclear bombings? Russians would shoot them down faster than any drone could get them.
- cmcaleer 1y ago>Civilian 737 boarding airfield where Russia keeps strategic nuclear bombings? I'm not sure if the Tu-95 is hosted at any joint-use airports, but joint-use themselves airports are not uncommon. Pskov is joint-use, Ukraine launched a smaller-scale attack on some Il-76s there a couple years back. The scenario that an attack on legitimate target aircraft could be happening metres away from civilian aircraft is realistic.
- oneshtein 1y agoIt's not a problem when Russia, Israel, USA, or other nations attacks civilians, because of a military reason. Why it will be a problem in this case?
- bamboozled 1y agoBecause the makeup men don’t like Ukraine
- BobaFloutist 1y agoBecause whether or not they're justified in doing so, Ukraine has made it clear that they have no interest in targeting civilians. They've been incredibly surgical and precise in their attacks. Unbelievably so, honestly.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoWhichever way this war ends you can be sure there will be lone Ukrainian terror attacks on Russia for next 50 years. People will not forgive.
- pjc50 1y ago> What if a civilian 737 happens to be boarding at this airfield https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 Good old non-AI radar-guided missile launched by human crew of Russians.