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It doesn't under the Polish presidency. Denmark is taking the lead from July and plans to push for the most extreme version (all scanning mandatory). https://d

It doesn't under the Polish presidency. Denmark is taking the lead from July and plans to push for the most extreme version (all scanning mandatory). https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/114596587390684173 https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/1145965873906841... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44168752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44168752

amarcheschi 1y ago
That's interesting. And sad
HPsquared 1y ago
I wonder if it's a gambit to push for too much and sink the proposal. A compromise is more likely to pass, no?
- nickslaughter02 1y ago
  Even the original extreme proposal had wide support. The changes were offered only after Germany with Poland were against it IIRC. This is the state as of December 2024. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/signal-2024-12-11-152711-002-2.jpeg https://www.patrick-breyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/sig... I don't like that Opposed / Abstaining are both green. Abstaining means they don't care.
worldsayshi 1y ago
I wish there was more potent ways to veto suggestions like this. Perhaps people should, in a democratic way, have the ability to ban representatives that are pushing these ideas, and many other, from politics for life. But perhaps there's no way to make that "democratic".
- pmontra 1y ago
  Well, it's the core of democracy: the right of never ever voting for a given candidate again. What you are writing about is probably denying to some people the right of candidating themselves or even the right to vote. There are examples: one of them is Italy banning the fascist party after WW2 and the descendants of the royal family. Excerpts of Provisions XII and XIII of the Constituton, easily googlable: > It shall be forbidden to reorganise, under any form whatsoever, the dissolved Fascist party > The members and descendants of the House of Savoy shall not be voters and may not hold public office or elected offices I read that Germany banned a right wing party that recently won quite a large share of votes. I'm not sure about the extent of the ban and if it's a ban at all.

amarcheschi 1y ago

That's interesting. And sad

HPsquared 1y ago

I wonder if it's a gambit to push for too much and sink the proposal. A compromise is more likely to pass, no?

nickslaughter02 1y ago
Even the original extreme proposal had wide support. The changes were offered only after Germany with Poland were against it IIRC. This is the state as of December 2024. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/signal-2024-12-11-152711-002-2.jpeg https://www.patrick-breyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/sig... I don't like that Opposed / Abstaining are both green. Abstaining means they don't care.

worldsayshi 1y ago

I wish there was more potent ways to veto suggestions like this. Perhaps people should, in a democratic way, have the ability to ban representatives that are pushing these ideas, and many other, from politics for life. But perhaps there's no way to make that "democratic".

pmontra 1y ago
Well, it's the core of democracy: the right of never ever voting for a given candidate again. What you are writing about is probably denying to some people the right of candidating themselves or even the right to vote. There are examples: one of them is Italy banning the fascist party after WW2 and the descendants of the royal family. Excerpts of Provisions XII and XIII of the Constituton, easily googlable: > It shall be forbidden to reorganise, under any form whatsoever, the dissolved Fascist party > The members and descendants of the House of Savoy shall not be voters and may not hold public office or elected offices I read that Germany banned a right wing party that recently won quite a large share of votes. I'm not sure about the extent of the ban and if it's a ban at all.