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> In North Korea, your phone secretly takes screenshots every 5 minutes for government surveillance Context: Under the EU's Chat Control proposal, your private

> In North Korea, your phone secretly takes screenshots every 5 minutes for government surveillance Context: Under the EU's Chat Control proposal, your private messages (Signal, WhatsApp etc) will be scanned by an on-device AI agent. The current debate is around scanning images and videos but the original proposals called for analyzing all text too (I wish I was joking).

amarcheschi 1y ago
As far as I know, the latest draft of chat control doesn't include mandatory scanning anymore. I might as well be wrong though
- nickslaughter02 1y ago
  It doesn't under the Polish presidency. Denmark is taking the lead from July and plans to push for the most extreme version (all scanning mandatory). https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/114596587390684173 https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/1145965873906841... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44168752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44168752
  - amarcheschi 1y ago
    That's interesting. And sad
  - HPsquared 1y ago
    I wonder if it's a gambit to push for too much and sink the proposal. A compromise is more likely to pass, no?
    - nickslaughter02 1y ago
      Even the original extreme proposal had wide support. The changes were offered only after Germany with Poland were against it IIRC. This is the state as of December 2024. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/signal-2024-12-11-152711-002-2.jpeg https://www.patrick-breyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/sig... I don't like that Opposed / Abstaining are both green. Abstaining means they don't care.
  - worldsayshi 1y ago
    I wish there was more potent ways to veto suggestions like this. Perhaps people should, in a democratic way, have the ability to ban representatives that are pushing these ideas, and many other, from politics for life. But perhaps there's no way to make that "democratic".
    - pmontra 1y ago
      Well, it's the core of democracy: the right of never ever voting for a given candidate again. What you are writing about is probably denying to some people the right of candidating themselves or even the right to vote. There are examples: one of them is Italy banning the fascist party after WW2 and the descendants of the royal family. Excerpts of Provisions XII and XIII of the Constituton, easily googlable: > It shall be forbidden to reorganise, under any form whatsoever, the dissolved Fascist party > The members and descendants of the House of Savoy shall not be voters and may not hold public office or elected offices I read that Germany banned a right wing party that recently won quite a large share of votes. I'm not sure about the extent of the ban and if it's a ban at all.
rdm_blackhole 1y ago
You forgot to mention the best part, LEOs and MEPs and all militarily personnel would be exempt from this proposal thereby creating a two tier society where if you end up in the wrong tier, all your conversations will be watched by the government and in the other where you are free to say what you want. This stuff is straight up out of 1984.
- nickslaughter02 1y ago
  Naturally. They know the agents will make mistakes and send your image or video to some underpaid cop somewhere along with all your details. It will be extortion galore.

amarcheschi 1y ago

As far as I know, the latest draft of chat control doesn't include mandatory scanning anymore. I might as well be wrong though

nickslaughter02 1y ago
It doesn't under the Polish presidency. Denmark is taking the lead from July and plans to push for the most extreme version (all scanning mandatory). https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/114596587390684173 https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/1145965873906841... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44168752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44168752
- amarcheschi 1y ago
  That's interesting. And sad
- HPsquared 1y ago
  I wonder if it's a gambit to push for too much and sink the proposal. A compromise is more likely to pass, no?
  - nickslaughter02 1y ago
    Even the original extreme proposal had wide support. The changes were offered only after Germany with Poland were against it IIRC. This is the state as of December 2024. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/signal-2024-12-11-152711-002-2.jpeg https://www.patrick-breyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/sig... I don't like that Opposed / Abstaining are both green. Abstaining means they don't care.
- worldsayshi 1y ago
  I wish there was more potent ways to veto suggestions like this. Perhaps people should, in a democratic way, have the ability to ban representatives that are pushing these ideas, and many other, from politics for life. But perhaps there's no way to make that "democratic".
  - pmontra 1y ago
    Well, it's the core of democracy: the right of never ever voting for a given candidate again. What you are writing about is probably denying to some people the right of candidating themselves or even the right to vote. There are examples: one of them is Italy banning the fascist party after WW2 and the descendants of the royal family. Excerpts of Provisions XII and XIII of the Constituton, easily googlable: > It shall be forbidden to reorganise, under any form whatsoever, the dissolved Fascist party > The members and descendants of the House of Savoy shall not be voters and may not hold public office or elected offices I read that Germany banned a right wing party that recently won quite a large share of votes. I'm not sure about the extent of the ban and if it's a ban at all.

rdm_blackhole 1y ago

You forgot to mention the best part, LEOs and MEPs and all militarily personnel would be exempt from this proposal thereby creating a two tier society where if you end up in the wrong tier, all your conversations will be watched by the government and in the other where you are free to say what you want. This stuff is straight up out of 1984.

nickslaughter02 1y ago
Naturally. They know the agents will make mistakes and send your image or video to some underpaid cop somewhere along with all your details. It will be extortion galore.