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This is precisely why the United States wants to keep the war in Ukraine going forever. We get to destroy an enemy by proxy and another country will take the p

This is precisely why the United States wants to keep the war in Ukraine going forever. We get to destroy an enemy by proxy and another country will take the punishment and blame for it. It's perfect, as long as our ally doesn't run out of blood.

noduerme 1y ago
If anything, the past several months have shown that the Ukrainians will keep fighting without American support, and want to keep fighting, because the only other choice would be surrender and enslavement. Having said that, America and the EU do get something out of supporting Ukrainian sovereignty. And it's not just damage to Russian military capacity, it's deterrence against Russian imperial expansion all along the frontier.
seandoe 1y ago
Apophenia
tokai 1y ago
If anything this happened because US has less leverage on Ukraine than ever. US has very consistently pressured Ukraine from strategic strikes into Russia. Turns out people other than Americans also have agency.
- nkurz 1y ago
  > US has very consistently pressured Ukraine from strategic strikes into Russia. This was previously true, but I thought this policy changed as of last week? May 26 2025: US, UK and allies to lift all range restrictions on weapons in Ukraine Ukraine’s western allies, including the UK and the US, have agreed to lift all remaining range restrictions on the use of their weapons after President Trump issued his strongest criticism of President Putin yet. https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/ukraine-weapons-long-range-fire-us-uk-mvx2m0vvh https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/uk...
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    These were not US or UK weapons.
dzhiurgis 1y ago
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- CamperBob2 1y ago
  Just give Ukraine theirs back.
ericmay 1y ago
One small nitpick - nobody who matters will or is blaming Ukraine for the war except far left and far right factions. It is advantageous for the US to keep the war going to a point, but the real focus for the US is the Pacific and the US would prefer to not have to worry about Europe and Russia and instead focus on China. But the US isn’t able to end this war one way or another. Only Russia can end the war (aside from Ukraine no longer willingly defending their country) either willingly or by some sort of internal event, barring some miscalculation where they attack NATO forces. Some theorize Putin will do that to get defeated so he can save face but I don’t think that is likely.
- hkpack 1y ago
  > It is advantageous for the US to keep the war going to a point It is very short-sighted view. It is definitely not advantageous. USA has reaped the benefits of law-based world order in the last 70 years and which was the reason it has its wealth now. The longer the war is going on, the more unstable the world becomes and the less it is there for USA to benefit from. The whole strategy of the USA after WW2 was to keep world and especially Europe safe. The problem is that letting Russia win will only accelerate the demise of the US, so it cannot just walk away even if everyone in White House really wants that.
  - ericmay 1y ago
    > It is very short-sighted view. Well that's why I wrote it's advantageous to a point. The one really clear advantageous thing for the United States is that Russia's military has been degraded, and their economy is obviously not doing quite as well as it otherwise might be either. And it caused Sweden and Finland to join NATO, Germany to decouple (to an extent) from Russian gas, and more. > The problem is that letting Russia win will only accelerate the demise of the US, so it cannot just walk away even if everyone in White House really wants that. Even if Russia won this wouldn't really result in a demise of the United States by any means - just a stronger Russia and a buffet full of other undesirable repercussions for our enemies to pick and choose from.
dmix 1y ago
It's very likely the US played a big role in helping plan and provide intelligence for this. It was one and a half years in the making.
- skeletal88 1y ago
  Nope, the Ukrainians said they got no help or intelligence from the US. The US knew nothing about the operation. If Trump had known about it, he probably would have told putin accidentally (or.. knowingly?)
coderenegade 1y ago
Yes, I've been saying this since the war started. The best thing for everyone is obviously no war, but the second best is a long, hard, and bitter war for your enemy, especially if you don't have to be the one to fight it. I don't see Ukraine winning this conflict in the long run, though, and if it goes on for too long, we'll see bitterness on the Ukrainian side directed at those they felt should have helped. Fighting to the last Ukrainian will eventually make an enemy of them imo.
getnormality 1y ago
Too bad Putin wasn't brilliant enough to foil the evil US plan by not invading Ukraine.
mcv 1y ago
Attacks like these don't cost much blood. Unmanned equipment destroys parked equipment. Sounds like a win for everybody.

noduerme 1y ago

If anything, the past several months have shown that the Ukrainians will keep fighting without American support, and want to keep fighting, because the only other choice would be surrender and enslavement. Having said that, America and the EU do get something out of supporting Ukrainian sovereignty. And it's not just damage to Russian military capacity, it's deterrence against Russian imperial expansion all along the frontier.

seandoe 1y ago

Apophenia

tokai 1y ago

If anything this happened because US has less leverage on Ukraine than ever. US has very consistently pressured Ukraine from strategic strikes into Russia. Turns out people other than Americans also have agency.

nkurz 1y ago
> US has very consistently pressured Ukraine from strategic strikes into Russia. This was previously true, but I thought this policy changed as of last week? May 26 2025: US, UK and allies to lift all range restrictions on weapons in Ukraine Ukraine’s western allies, including the UK and the US, have agreed to lift all remaining range restrictions on the use of their weapons after President Trump issued his strongest criticism of President Putin yet. https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/ukraine-weapons-long-range-fire-us-uk-mvx2m0vvh https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/uk...
- jacquesm 1y ago
  These were not US or UK weapons.

dzhiurgis 1y ago

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CamperBob2 1y ago
Just give Ukraine theirs back.

ericmay 1y ago

One small nitpick - nobody who matters will or is blaming Ukraine for the war except far left and far right factions. It is advantageous for the US to keep the war going to a point, but the real focus for the US is the Pacific and the US would prefer to not have to worry about Europe and Russia and instead focus on China. But the US isn’t able to end this war one way or another. Only Russia can end the war (aside from Ukraine no longer willingly defending their country) either willingly or by some sort of internal event, barring some miscalculation where they attack NATO forces. Some theorize Putin will do that to get defeated so he can save face but I don’t think that is likely.

hkpack 1y ago
> It is advantageous for the US to keep the war going to a point It is very short-sighted view. It is definitely not advantageous. USA has reaped the benefits of law-based world order in the last 70 years and which was the reason it has its wealth now. The longer the war is going on, the more unstable the world becomes and the less it is there for USA to benefit from. The whole strategy of the USA after WW2 was to keep world and especially Europe safe. The problem is that letting Russia win will only accelerate the demise of the US, so it cannot just walk away even if everyone in White House really wants that.
- ericmay 1y ago
  > It is very short-sighted view. Well that's why I wrote it's advantageous to a point. The one really clear advantageous thing for the United States is that Russia's military has been degraded, and their economy is obviously not doing quite as well as it otherwise might be either. And it caused Sweden and Finland to join NATO, Germany to decouple (to an extent) from Russian gas, and more. > The problem is that letting Russia win will only accelerate the demise of the US, so it cannot just walk away even if everyone in White House really wants that. Even if Russia won this wouldn't really result in a demise of the United States by any means - just a stronger Russia and a buffet full of other undesirable repercussions for our enemies to pick and choose from.

dmix 1y ago

It's very likely the US played a big role in helping plan and provide intelligence for this. It was one and a half years in the making.

skeletal88 1y ago
Nope, the Ukrainians said they got no help or intelligence from the US. The US knew nothing about the operation. If Trump had known about it, he probably would have told putin accidentally (or.. knowingly?)

coderenegade 1y ago

Yes, I've been saying this since the war started. The best thing for everyone is obviously no war, but the second best is a long, hard, and bitter war for your enemy, especially if you don't have to be the one to fight it. I don't see Ukraine winning this conflict in the long run, though, and if it goes on for too long, we'll see bitterness on the Ukrainian side directed at those they felt should have helped. Fighting to the last Ukrainian will eventually make an enemy of them imo.

getnormality 1y ago

Too bad Putin wasn't brilliant enough to foil the evil US plan by not invading Ukraine.

mcv 1y ago

Attacks like these don't cost much blood. Unmanned equipment destroys parked equipment. Sounds like a win for everybody.