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I was rolling my eyes when the paper started with the Webster’s dictionary definitions, but there were some new ideas in there. For example, men are more likely

I was rolling my eyes when the paper started with the Webster’s dictionary definitions, but there were some new ideas in there. For example, men are more likely to be victims of online harassment. I’d have bet my house it was the opposite. Next I’d like to see a study on why there’s so little research on misandry. That would be a brave paper to publish.

msgodel 1y ago
Women naturally "longhouse" when men let them (and the majority will in an egalitarian social regime.) I've watched it happen to other people and it's happened to me too. Online communities are absolutely perfect for this. I think this is why most cultures didn't allow women to be leaders.
- 1659447091 1y ago
  > Women naturally "longhouse" when men let them For anyone else confused about a reference to indigenous dwellings: "[it’s] a slang expression and a metaphorical concept popularized among the far-right and alt-right used to refer to a matriarchal society that is distinguished by suppressing non-conformity by canceling individuals..." [0] The source of that nugget of knowledge, goes on to tell its slang origins: "In 2018, far-right Internet personality and writer Bronze Age Pervert published the book Bronze Age Mindset, which contained criticisms of modern society. In the book, Bronze Age Pervert compares the modern leftist males to the dwellers of the longhouse, ‘browbeaten and ruled by obese mammies who instilled in them socialism and feminism’" Guess now I know... (and knowing is half the battle!) [0] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-longhouse https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-longhouse
rxtexit 1y ago
I know some women that have some issues with men in general, largely and understandably from childhood abuse. They express this though with dissociation from men when possible. They aren't going to harass men online, quite the opposite. It just seems like misogyny is vastly easier to study than misandry. These concepts are so asymetric that I am not sure misandry is even a good characterization of the process.
- jaoane 1y ago
  Asymmetric why?
- xchip 1y ago
  Would you share your evidences for these claims?
imtringued 1y ago
Reddit specifically has many subreddits that openly dehumanise men and act as if they are lesser creatures. There is a sort of original sin going on, where men are considered evil by birth for no other reason than their gender.
- aaaja 1y ago
  If you think that's bad you should see the ones targeting women. They are much, much worse. Example: r/womenarethings The subreddit description: > Women are things. Objects. > They should be enjoyed, used, and they should enjoy this treatment without expecting anything in return. > Women should not have an identity. They are not "I," "me," or "we." Women are "it," plain and simple. You won't find any sub describing men like this.
  - leereeves 1y ago
    Never heard of it and was surprised reddit allowed it to exist. Right at the top I found a message from the moderators: "This is a safe place for women to explore their kinks" So I can only assume you didn't know what that sub was and just searched for something to justify a belief you already held.
- const_cast 1y ago
  This bio-essentialism we see where we say men are born evil and this sort of original sin mentality is actually a soft implementation of patriarchy attitudes, in my mind. There's a very small hop between "gender is in blood" to anti-trans mentality, gender roles, toxic masculinity, etc. Really when we say men are born evil we denounce the idea of gender being socially constructed, and how we socialize men. We essentially let men, and those who raise them, completely off the hook. We ignore rape culture, we ignore toxic masculinity ingrained in boys, we ignore neglect of emotional education. Which are all very important. In actuality, almost nobody is born bad. We socialize them in their communities in families to express that behavior. Which means we can chip away at it, slowly over time. Which we've already done to a large degree - men are so much more progressive today. Things that were once normal and expected, like domestic violence, are now denounced and demonized as they should be. We haven't fixed anything completely, and likely never will, but that shouldn't stop us from making improvements.
daymanstep 1y ago
Maybe for the same reason men are more likely to be victims of homicide than women.

msgodel 1y ago

Women naturally "longhouse" when men let them (and the majority will in an egalitarian social regime.) I've watched it happen to other people and it's happened to me too. Online communities are absolutely perfect for this. I think this is why most cultures didn't allow women to be leaders.

1659447091 1y ago
> Women naturally "longhouse" when men let them For anyone else confused about a reference to indigenous dwellings: "[it’s] a slang expression and a metaphorical concept popularized among the far-right and alt-right used to refer to a matriarchal society that is distinguished by suppressing non-conformity by canceling individuals..." [0] The source of that nugget of knowledge, goes on to tell its slang origins: "In 2018, far-right Internet personality and writer Bronze Age Pervert published the book Bronze Age Mindset, which contained criticisms of modern society. In the book, Bronze Age Pervert compares the modern leftist males to the dwellers of the longhouse, ‘browbeaten and ruled by obese mammies who instilled in them socialism and feminism’" Guess now I know... (and knowing is half the battle!) [0] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-longhouse https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-longhouse

rxtexit 1y ago

I know some women that have some issues with men in general, largely and understandably from childhood abuse. They express this though with dissociation from men when possible. They aren't going to harass men online, quite the opposite. It just seems like misogyny is vastly easier to study than misandry. These concepts are so asymetric that I am not sure misandry is even a good characterization of the process.

jaoane 1y ago
Asymmetric why?
xchip 1y ago
Would you share your evidences for these claims?

imtringued 1y ago

Reddit specifically has many subreddits that openly dehumanise men and act as if they are lesser creatures. There is a sort of original sin going on, where men are considered evil by birth for no other reason than their gender.

aaaja 1y ago
If you think that's bad you should see the ones targeting women. They are much, much worse. Example: r/womenarethings The subreddit description: > Women are things. Objects. > They should be enjoyed, used, and they should enjoy this treatment without expecting anything in return. > Women should not have an identity. They are not "I," "me," or "we." Women are "it," plain and simple. You won't find any sub describing men like this.
- leereeves 1y ago
  Never heard of it and was surprised reddit allowed it to exist. Right at the top I found a message from the moderators: "This is a safe place for women to explore their kinks" So I can only assume you didn't know what that sub was and just searched for something to justify a belief you already held.
const_cast 1y ago
This bio-essentialism we see where we say men are born evil and this sort of original sin mentality is actually a soft implementation of patriarchy attitudes, in my mind. There's a very small hop between "gender is in blood" to anti-trans mentality, gender roles, toxic masculinity, etc. Really when we say men are born evil we denounce the idea of gender being socially constructed, and how we socialize men. We essentially let men, and those who raise them, completely off the hook. We ignore rape culture, we ignore toxic masculinity ingrained in boys, we ignore neglect of emotional education. Which are all very important. In actuality, almost nobody is born bad. We socialize them in their communities in families to express that behavior. Which means we can chip away at it, slowly over time. Which we've already done to a large degree - men are so much more progressive today. Things that were once normal and expected, like domestic violence, are now denounced and demonized as they should be. We haven't fixed anything completely, and likely never will, but that shouldn't stop us from making improvements.

daymanstep 1y ago

Maybe for the same reason men are more likely to be victims of homicide than women.