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Really disappointingly sour responses from HN ITT This is a tiny and temporary library in Wellington set up while the main library gets upgraded to deal with t

by lmpdev 1y ago

Really disappointingly sour responses from HN ITT This is a tiny and temporary library in Wellington set up while the main library gets upgraded to deal with the city’s risk of earthquakes It’s about the size of a house, with only ~20,000 books. What gives you the right to boo and hiss at something across the world to you? In a culture you’re unfamiliar with. This is a tiny, community focused library, modifying a single section’s ordering and labelling of books. Why does that offend you?

dazzawazza 1y ago
For context: There are three root comments and six comments in total right now. All seem reasonable.
- bowsamic 1y ago
  “ This stuff is such Noble Savage nonsense.” is not reasonable EDIT do the down voters wish to explain themselves?
  - relaxing 1y ago
    They feel threatened by a non-western ontology that prioritizes different methods of information storage and transmission, ones that seem incompatible with their own tradition of the computer database. To the poster below: The knowledge and system of connections inside that knowledge, is traditional, and that tradition is carried forward into modern domain. Does that make sense? You should examine why you feel so quick to dismiss something as nonsense, especially when it seems to have been implemented successfully to the benefit of its users who do understand the system. You seem to be imagining something (the burning of libraries as the entire nation is forced to throw out Dewey?) that has no basis in reality. You clearly don’t understand what’s been implemented here, or library science in general, as your assertions are nonsense.
    - phyalow 1y ago
      Huh? These are documents written (not a Maori technology), printed (not a Maori technology), bound into a book (not a Maori technology), placed in a library (not a Maori idea/concept). A Computer database is irrelent here, you seem to be picking out arbitrary words to try and sound smart? People arent threatend by this specific activity, less so the nonsense behind it. The threat is the corruption of useful and working systems to virtue signal for no benefit, whilst espousing their apparent (but on close examination lack of benefits). It is the social and intellectual degredation which is alarming. Creating a custom filing system is busy work simply put, changing to a propritory system lowers discoverability of information to an overwhelming majority of people initmately unfamiliar with "Maori gods" (99.9%), the same activity could be accomplished under standard tooling (Dewey), at lower cost, greater compatability and therefore benefit. It would be discoverable by default.
  - aydyn 1y ago
    Calling this "noble savage" and stereotyping is very reasonable (also known as true). Its hilarious that the most succinct and useful summary gets flagged and hidden. Thats the smoothness of HN some times.
phyalow 1y ago
Honestly, many New Zealand’ers (especially the inner city Wellington/Auckland public service class) have a major problem with native cultural relations (bordering on obsequiousness) that is increasingly out of step with developed global practices. It gives rise to the utter nonsense exemplified in this Article, which is pure virtue signalling. I am a New Zealander, I have been lucky enough to spend a huge amount of time working overseas (in many different countries, settings and regions) as well as having attended foreign and (domestic NZ) universities. I have seen it all. Screeching about “booing and hissing” says more about you than the person you are replying to. Put up a coherent response rather than saying because someone isn't in a tiny community they cant have an opinion. That is just braindead behaviour.
lupusreal 1y ago
> What gives you the right to boo and hiss at something across the world to you? You can't be serious. Commenting on anything is a basic human right.
- bowsamic 1y ago
  What makes you think that?
- relaxing 1y ago
  It’s a figure of speech. Edit, since apparently that was confusing: it’s an idiom which implies not that you lack the legal right to comment, but that you’re being an asshole by commenting in this manner.
  - lupusreal 1y ago
    > you’re being an asshole You're the one name calling.
    - relaxing 1y ago
      Just meeting them on their own turf.
      - lupusreal 1y ago
        I didn't call you any names, nor the librarians, nor anybody else in this conversation. You are the one who stooped to that.
helpfulContrib 1y ago
I agree with you completely and will happily join you into the grey zone by stating simply, anyone who objects to new information systems being created on the basis of heritage/historical/cultural grounds, is just a wannabe hacker, and thats just not news.
GrayShade 1y ago
> Bridget hopes it will be adopted permanently, not just at Te Awe, but right across Wellington. Is it really tiny and temporary, then?

by lmpdev 1y ago

dazzawazza 1y ago

For context: There are three root comments and six comments in total right now. All seem reasonable.

bowsamic 1y ago
“ This stuff is such Noble Savage nonsense.” is not reasonable EDIT do the down voters wish to explain themselves?
- relaxing 1y ago
  They feel threatened by a non-western ontology that prioritizes different methods of information storage and transmission, ones that seem incompatible with their own tradition of the computer database. To the poster below: The knowledge and system of connections inside that knowledge, is traditional, and that tradition is carried forward into modern domain. Does that make sense? You should examine why you feel so quick to dismiss something as nonsense, especially when it seems to have been implemented successfully to the benefit of its users who do understand the system. You seem to be imagining something (the burning of libraries as the entire nation is forced to throw out Dewey?) that has no basis in reality. You clearly don’t understand what’s been implemented here, or library science in general, as your assertions are nonsense.
  - phyalow 1y ago
    Huh? These are documents written (not a Maori technology), printed (not a Maori technology), bound into a book (not a Maori technology), placed in a library (not a Maori idea/concept). A Computer database is irrelent here, you seem to be picking out arbitrary words to try and sound smart? People arent threatend by this specific activity, less so the nonsense behind it. The threat is the corruption of useful and working systems to virtue signal for no benefit, whilst espousing their apparent (but on close examination lack of benefits). It is the social and intellectual degredation which is alarming. Creating a custom filing system is busy work simply put, changing to a propritory system lowers discoverability of information to an overwhelming majority of people initmately unfamiliar with "Maori gods" (99.9%), the same activity could be accomplished under standard tooling (Dewey), at lower cost, greater compatability and therefore benefit. It would be discoverable by default.
- aydyn 1y ago
  Calling this "noble savage" and stereotyping is very reasonable (also known as true). Its hilarious that the most succinct and useful summary gets flagged and hidden. Thats the smoothness of HN some times.

phyalow 1y ago

Honestly, many New Zealand’ers (especially the inner city Wellington/Auckland public service class) have a major problem with native cultural relations (bordering on obsequiousness) that is increasingly out of step with developed global practices. It gives rise to the utter nonsense exemplified in this Article, which is pure virtue signalling. I am a New Zealander, I have been lucky enough to spend a huge amount of time working overseas (in many different countries, settings and regions) as well as having attended foreign and (domestic NZ) universities. I have seen it all. Screeching about “booing and hissing” says more about you than the person you are replying to. Put up a coherent response rather than saying because someone isn't in a tiny community they cant have an opinion. That is just braindead behaviour.

lupusreal 1y ago

> What gives you the right to boo and hiss at something across the world to you? You can't be serious. Commenting on anything is a basic human right.

bowsamic 1y ago
What makes you think that?
relaxing 1y ago
It’s a figure of speech. Edit, since apparently that was confusing: it’s an idiom which implies not that you lack the legal right to comment, but that you’re being an asshole by commenting in this manner.
- lupusreal 1y ago
  > you’re being an asshole You're the one name calling.
  - relaxing 1y ago
    Just meeting them on their own turf.
    - lupusreal 1y ago
      I didn't call you any names, nor the librarians, nor anybody else in this conversation. You are the one who stooped to that.

helpfulContrib 1y ago

I agree with you completely and will happily join you into the grey zone by stating simply, anyone who objects to new information systems being created on the basis of heritage/historical/cultural grounds, is just a wannabe hacker, and thats just not news.

GrayShade 1y ago

> Bridget hopes it will be adopted permanently, not just at Te Awe, but right across Wellington. Is it really tiny and temporary, then?