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You guys are excluding the George Lucas movies from discussion right? In my opinion nothing ever came even close and I gave up on SW after the second Kylo Ren

• sylens 1y ago
  Andor is the best Star Wars that Disney has made
• drunkonvinyl 1y ago
  To your second question, yes. Andor would be exactly the wrong one to bail on if you’ve made it through those others.
  • lupire 1y ago
    Andor bailed on a Bail, ended up having Bail on twice.
• baq 1y ago
  The only Star Wars worth watching as an adult is Andor.
• lucideer 1y ago
  > Should I really try Andor after all the bad stuff Disney made? It's difficult to articulate Andor's quality to someone who hasn't seen it & is framing it in the context of things like Mandalorian. I can't stress enough that it's absolutely not just a "better" tv show than Mandalorian, &c. Not only is that an understatement, but it's also a fundamentally different beast to those shows. It's in a different category of quality.
  • isleyaardvark 1y ago
    It's the first "prestige" Star Wars TV show.
• guilamu 1y ago
  "You guys are excluding the George Lucas movies from discussion right?" We are not. Andor is the best Star Wars ever made, full stop. IMHO, it surpasses, by far, anything Lucas ever did.
  • emptysongglass 1y ago
    Yes, it's easy to view Lucas' films with a rose-tinted lens, but try and watch them now and you see: poor acting, poor writing, one-dimensional characters and plot points.
    • ahartmetz 1y ago
      And by far the coolest looking spaceships ever seen in any medium. The production design was incredible. At least X-Wings, TIE Fighters, Corellian Corvettes, Imperial Shuttles and Star Destroyers. Not a fan of the Millennium Falcon tbh.
      • wslh 1y ago
        The TIE Avenger starship [1] in the series seems incredible. I cannot find the official toy. [1] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/TIE_Avenger https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/TIE_Avenger
        • ahartmetz 1y ago
          Yes indeed, looks really damn cool.
    • 2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago
      I didn't think we loved it for the acting, but the production and world building which Lucas excels at IMO.
      • mitthrowaway2 1y ago
        And the John Williams soundtrack.
• boppo1 1y ago
  It's barely star wars. It's a competent spy thriller with star wars paint. Turns out that makes for pretty good adult oriented star wars.
  • Joeboy 1y ago
    Tony Gilroy's mentioned a lot of influences on Andor, few if any of which had anything to do with Star Wars. Off the top of my head: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Shadows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Shadows * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_Berlin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_Berlin * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_village_fran%C3%A7ais https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_village_fran%C3%A7ais
    • ahns 1y ago
      To add to this, non-exhaustively, from various other places including reddit: Krennic's meeting on kalkite: * structured like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference * takes place at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kehlsteinhaus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kehlsteinhaus the Aldhani heist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907_Tiflis_bank_robbery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907_Tiflis_bank_robbery Ferrix: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles Vel Sartha: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Dugdale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Dugdale * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolours_Price https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolours_Price * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction Kleya Marki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noor_Inayat_Khan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noor_Inayat_Khan the Dhanis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1mi_people#Discrimination_against_the_S%C3%A1mi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1mi_people#Discriminatio... escape from Narkina 5: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_Prison_escape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_Prison_escape * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauthausen_concentration_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauthausen_concentration_camp * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobibor_uprising https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobibor_uprising * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrba%E2%80%93Wetzler_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrba%E2%80%93Wetzler_report Rix Road: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporals_killings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporals_killings * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh#Funeral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh#Funeral Mon Mothma's speech: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Wels#Speech_in_opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Wels#Speech_in_opposition Ghormans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance Ghorman massacre: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972) * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabaa_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabaa_massacre * and perhaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_weavers%27_uprising https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_weavers%27_uprising Obviously the comparisons aren't exact, but it's clear the show had a great many sources of inspiration (or maybe history rhymes as it always has).
• rendall 1y ago
  I felt like The Mandalorian was a step above its nearest best of Star Wars TV. Andor is a step above that.
  • BLKNSLVR 1y ago
    I'm on both sides of the fence with early Mandalorian. I need to watch it again until it jumps the shark because I don't know how early it did that. The latter episodes were incredibly laboured, with the narrative being spelt out, as if to a child, by various characters. I think it may have always been like that, but the look and feel overwhelmed the ridiculous dialogue for a while. If they were more clever with the body language of the main character, then the others wouldn't have had to carry the direction of the storyline so heavily verbally. Again, I think this was done well early, but kinda lost in the desperation for grogu storyline and screen time cuteness. I'd have to watch it again, and right now it ain't worth the time. Haven't seen Andor, but now it's "on the list".
    • colordrops 1y ago
      Mandalorian started out strong and got progressively worse with each episode. Don't even bother with season 3.
      • storus 1y ago
        I had that feeling with Andor - Season 1 was great, Season 2 was... not sure how to even name it, it was like a completely different show.
      • fernandopj 1y ago
        Agreed. First couple of episodes are so good, when I was watching it really felt like the magic from watching EpIV again, as everything felt like being introduced to a new culture far away. It really nails the feeling of watching an old Western movie where a cowboy bonds with an innocent person who needs protection against all odds.
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• Larrikin 1y ago
  Word of warning, because there is just so much praise online about it, it is a very slow burn. I gave up on first season half way through. I picked it up again after first season was fully out because of all the good reviews and was happy that I finished. I recently rewatched season one in preparation for season two with my partner who hadn't watched it, and she wanted to give up around the same point I did previously and only powered through for the same reason. She was also happy that she finished
• fettel 1y ago
  I'm a lifelong Star Wars fan, fell in love as a young kid. I remember being in 8th grade and being so excited for the prequels, and then walking out of the theater after Ep. 1 and feeling like something was just... wrong. I knew that it was junk, and not the Star Wars I fell in love with. And from there it was pretty much further and further downhill, with occasional glimpses of hope that were quickly dashed. I tried to watch a couple more entries after the prequels, but I finally gave up and wrote it off. I've missed almost the entire last 10 years of content. A buddy at work finally convinced me to watch Andor, and I'm so grateful he did. It is superb. I read a reddit comment that said, "This is the show that made me feel ok to be a Star Wars fan again," and I can't agree more. In a lot of ways it still feels different from Star Wars. It's hard to explain because it's in the same universe, and has similar themes (which is why it doesn't feel totally out of place), but the tone is different. It's not about Jedi knights on a mission from destiny. It's about ordinary people making decisions, and choosing hope, in the face of the oppressive might of the Empire. But god is it good. Excellent writing, great acting, suspense, intrigue, nuance, and powerful emotional scenes (that are earned by proper story buildup). So all of that is to say, it might not be exactly what you expect, and it won't simply be "Star Wars, again," but yes you should absolutely watch it. It's a fine work of art.
  • lawgimenez 1y ago
    As someone who’s starting reading non-jedi Star Wars books, I realized that Jedis are just a splash in the ocean. There’s Thrawn universe, Battlefront, Rebel era, X-wings, Bad Batch, too many to mention.
  • MangoToupe 1y ago
    I actually greatly prefer the prequels to the original trilogy. I suspect it has to do with the fact that I was a child when episode 1 came out and I was still a child when the prequels concluded. A big part of the problem is that these movies were written, basically, for 12-year old boys. You're not going to be able to get that spark back as an adult, and it's not easy to make a movie that appeals so strongly to both demographics. And much like wu-tang, star wars (and other fun stories) is for the children. Andor is at least more adult-oriented, I think. So, do I like the new movies? No, I literally slept through the last two they were so boring, and I found the lack of coherent plot baffling. And yes, it does make me a little sad. But seeing little girls dressed up like Rey, I'm reminded that there are better things for me to care about.
• ghaff 1y ago
  Andor is good and you can almost ignore that it's Star Wars universe.
• troupo 1y ago
  > Should I really try Andor after all the bad stuff Disney made? Andor (at least Season 1) is very slow, boring, suffers from "static heads talking at each other" cinematography of modern movies [1], main character is just not a great actor. All that said, it's definitely worth a watch: - most, if not all, major characters (apart from the protagonist) are very compelling, chew through every scene they are in, and are great matches for their parts - Empire is finally shown as a proper huge, relentless, uncaring bureaucratic machine it must have been. Run mostly by efficient ruthless bureaucrats. - Rebels are not angels, are not a single conformist mass of do-gooders - The dialog is mostly great It's a much better show than Mandalorian. It's arguably the best Star Wars after the original trilogy. [1] Most modern productions are incapable of shooting "walking and talking at the same time". Most modern movies and TV shows have actors placed against each other rigidly, with not a hint of motion, as they say their lines at each other
  • Reefersleep 1y ago
    I prefer good static heads vs poor walking and talking. Didn't notice the prior to be a problem in Andor.
• dbalatero 1y ago
  I thought Mandalorian was trash, every episode a video game fetch quest. In general I hate modern Star Wars. Andor is in a different category and totally worth it.
• AngryData 1y ago
  I didn't really think Rogue One was anything special and thought sequel movies were trash, but I still watched every Andor episode as it came out, it is really good.
• Auracle 1y ago
  I would honestly rate Andor up there with A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. It’s the top tier, for sure.
• divbzero 1y ago
  If you thought Rogue One was cool, then yes you should definitely try Andor.