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Beyond Attention: Toward Machines with Intrinsic Higher Mental States
- quinnjh 1y agoThis is, intuitively, a really exciting title. Looking forward to reading / seeing similar work.
- aiaiaiaiaiaiai 1y ago[flagged]
- bwest87 1y agoI did a chat with Gemini about the paper, and tldr is... * They introduce a loop at the beginning between Q, K, and V vectors (theoretically representing "question", "clues" and "hypothesis" of thinking) * This loop contains a non linearity (ReLU) * The loop is used to "pre select" relevant info * They then feed that into a light weight attention mechanism. They claim OOM faster learning, and robustness acro domains. There's enough detail to probably do your own PuTorch implementation, though they haven't released code. The paper has been accepted into AMLDS2025. So peer reviewed. At first blush, this sounds really exciting and if results hold up and are replicated, it could be huge.
- saagarjha 1y agoI don't want to dismiss this outright but I'm skimming this paper and pretty skeptical of something that's from a single guy that doesn't appear peer reviewed, spends most of its time talking about actual biology, comes up with a "RELU6" (RELU but minimum value 6), and then pushes detailed review to a future paper.
- amelius 1y agoHe wrote this paper, "Cooperation is All You Need", with a group of people: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.10449 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.10449 And this paper in an IEEE journal: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2211.01950 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2211.01950
- pinoy420 1y ago[dead]
- yorwba 1y agoFigure 3 B in "Cooperation is All You Need" shows the same score curves as the top left of Figure 6 in "Beyond Attention," so it must be basically the same implementation. Yet that earlier paper is only cited once, in the Acknowledgements section. As far as I can tell, the only mathematical change in this paper is capping the ReLU at 6. But it also adds a bunch of grandiose verbiage ("triadic modulation loops", "awake thought.") The author is clearly a crackpot. Maybe he wasn't a crackpot when he still managed to publish in peer-reviewed journals, but cognitive decline over time is not exactly unheard of.
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- frozenseven 1y agoCool insults. But perhaps you can explain why he's wrong?
- anothermathbozo 1y agoWarrantless and totally spiteful for you to make unqualified claims like “cognitive decline” from skimming two papers. This is shameful.
- habinero 1y agoI swear, most of the AI "papers" that get posted here are someone screwing around with ChatGPT on ketamine and deciding they're advancing humanity.
- ivape 1y agoYou’ve just discovered the future of a jobless economy. Please write a blog post and I will surely upvote you. Ketamine is all you need
- geeunits 1y agoSat here vibe coding a pure assembly kernel for arm64, APL layer with conceptual memory layout. On my bed, eating a bag of chips, jobless since Jan. Everything but the Ket are mine
- ivape 1y agoYou serious?
- geeunits 1y agoyasqueen ← {'yes'≡⎕C ⍵}
- TeMPOraL 1y agoWho knows, but drop the word "vibe" and this is basically the startup culture 15 years ago, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Well, okay, for better historical accuracy, replace APL with API, and the kernel for arm64 thing with Ruby on Rails on a new Macbook, but the point still stands.
- ldng 1y agoCan the anthropomorphic scam continue unchecked ? Apparently yes.
- ImHereToVote 1y agoIf modeling cognitive processes is a scam, then neuroscience must be the longest-running con in history.
- TeMPOraL 1y agoProbably as long as non-anthropomorphic idiocy can. No opinion on this submission, but a more general point. I'm not the one to jump into anthropomorphizing computers, but last year or two of LLM and adjacent research is a constant stream of papers and experiments that totally surprise everyone who refuse to even entertain comparisons between LLMs and people, while being entirely expected and completely not surprising to those who do.
- mirekrusin 1y agoResults in this paper look way too good, I guess we'll have to wait for peer reviews and replications to see if it's true.
- NetRunnerSu 1y ago[dead]
- RockyMcNuts 1y agoWhen you stack transformers, don't you get meta-attention and higher mental states?
- edflsafoiewq 1y agoI don't understand the "Triadic Modulation Loop" block, does anyone else? Also > Competing interests: AA has a provisional patent application for the algorithm used in this paper.