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Honest question - do you not work in tech? I understand this sentiment from someone not in tech, but you're argument is laughably reductive that it feels silly

Honest question - do you not work in tech? I understand this sentiment from someone not in tech, but you're argument is laughably reductive that it feels silly Would you rather have software written by Chevrolet than Tech Companies?

grg0 1y ago
Why are you fine giving away control to more surveillance? I don't see what is laughable or reductive about the argument. Yes, I work in tech, but I generally prefer tech that gives people power, not take it away.
- bitpush 1y ago
  What part of self-driving car do you find to be objectionable?
  - grg0 1y ago
    The part where a corporation does the driving for you.
Spivak 1y ago
I don't think there's a dichotomy anymore, every car manufacturer is a tech company now. Tesla is a car company run like a tech company and I'll take Honda or Toyota over them every time. And it's not like the tech chops are lacking among traditional automakers, Mercedes launched (albeit limited) actually full self driving where you're not expected to take over and they take liability. "Tech" isn't that generic. There's no reason to believe that a company that makes a search engine will do any better at self driving. I mean they bought Waymo after they were already promising.
nytesky 1y ago
So many “tech” companies aren’t really tech, they just apply fairly standard software principals to new industries. Companies like salesforce, Uber, Airbnb are more marketing or market making apps. Eventually they do apply some more sophisticated software to scale their products, but their core business is not technical in nature. Even Facebook started out as an electronic blend of the school facebook (paperback) and hotornot. I’m not in SV tech so perhaps my perception is wrong? But googles core competency was search algorithms, though their business is ads of course. So more of a tech company.
more_corn 1y ago
It’s ok for people in tech to not like or trust companies with a surveillance business model. Especially when Google has recently shown a renewed willingness to put profits far above what is best for their customers. I’m in tech and have recently been disgusted by googles abuses of what they used to believe.
tzs 1y ago
He said he objected to having it from a company with a surveillance business model. Are you assuming that all tech companies have a surveillance business model?

grg0 1y ago

Why are you fine giving away control to more surveillance? I don't see what is laughable or reductive about the argument. Yes, I work in tech, but I generally prefer tech that gives people power, not take it away.

bitpush 1y ago
What part of self-driving car do you find to be objectionable?
- grg0 1y ago
  The part where a corporation does the driving for you.

Spivak 1y ago

I don't think there's a dichotomy anymore, every car manufacturer is a tech company now. Tesla is a car company run like a tech company and I'll take Honda or Toyota over them every time. And it's not like the tech chops are lacking among traditional automakers, Mercedes launched (albeit limited) actually full self driving where you're not expected to take over and they take liability. "Tech" isn't that generic. There's no reason to believe that a company that makes a search engine will do any better at self driving. I mean they bought Waymo after they were already promising.

nytesky 1y ago

So many “tech” companies aren’t really tech, they just apply fairly standard software principals to new industries. Companies like salesforce, Uber, Airbnb are more marketing or market making apps. Eventually they do apply some more sophisticated software to scale their products, but their core business is not technical in nature. Even Facebook started out as an electronic blend of the school facebook (paperback) and hotornot. I’m not in SV tech so perhaps my perception is wrong? But googles core competency was search algorithms, though their business is ads of course. So more of a tech company.

more_corn 1y ago

It’s ok for people in tech to not like or trust companies with a surveillance business model. Especially when Google has recently shown a renewed willingness to put profits far above what is best for their customers. I’m in tech and have recently been disgusted by googles abuses of what they used to believe.

tzs 1y ago

He said he objected to having it from a company with a surveillance business model. Are you assuming that all tech companies have a surveillance business model?