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The Surveilled Student (2021)
- esafak 1y agohttps://archive.is/PKmcO https://archive.is/PKmcO
- teddyh 1y ago> College officials stress that a machine, not a person, is listening in, “Okay, but that’s worse.” <https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/okay-but-thats-worse https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/okay-but-thats-worse>
- pixl97 1y ago>that a machine Yea, I don't know where that idea came from. Maybe the Boomer generation when machines didn't have practically unlimited storage and internet access where that data then can be crawled over by countless algorithms to judge your life and how you'll live from now on.
- aspenmayer 1y agoI think this kind of thinking must be the same kind that believes that bulk data collection isn't a "search" until the data is accessed by a human.
- reginald78 1y agoThe worst part is the algorithms don't even have to be correct. A ton of algorithms, designed to find transgressions, likely judged by purchasers by how many they find. Eventually they are relied upon and are standard for ass covering. But people don't understand how they work so give them a level of trust you wouldn't extend to a person doing the same task.
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- cgriswald 1y agoNot only is it worse, but I doubt it is even true in any meaningful sense. Even if the humans aren't 'listening in' and only the student gets the feedback directly, surely there are logs that contain at the very least metadata which a human can very much 'listen in' on and absent regulation with heavy penalties, will listen in on either individually or in aggregate and which could be hacked and sold.
- yapyap 1y ago(2021) btw
- Der_Einzige 1y agoYou mean yesterday? What actually changed from 2021 to now besides GenAI?
- hatthew 1y agopublic perception of covid changed from The Apocalypse to The Flu 2
- qoez 1y agoThe Surveilled Child, The Surveilled Citizen, ...
- rapnie 1y agoLiving in a Smart City.
- m463 1y agoThere's an app for you.
- bigyabai 1y agoWhat's so "smart" about these phones, anyways?
- tanseydavid 1y ago"I've got one that can see" -"They Live" John Carpenter
- 0cf8612b2e1e 1y agoDoes privacy even exist anywhere? I assume that my work computer has a key logger to track if I ever type something nasty. Potentially records me to see if I am using an above average amount of profanity while coding.
- 0xWTF 1y agoI'll just leave this here https://www.wired.com/1999/01/sun-on-privacy-get-over-it/ https://www.wired.com/1999/01/sun-on-privacy-get-over-it/
- teddyh 1y agoAlso Wired, in 2006: <https://www.wired.com/2006/05/the-eternal-value-of-privacy/ https://www.wired.com/2006/05/the-eternal-value-of-privacy/>
- nis0s 1y agoThis article…the kind of technology described herein, and other places which gets cast in a suspicious light, is actually quite useful. The problem with the information such technology affords, however, is that any primitive-minded human may misuse or abuse what they get out of it. The human mind has not wholly updated beyond family or tribe level self-preservation, but I guess some results have yielded from prior waves of cultural evolution. The only practical advice is that one should try to build in safeguards against abuse and misuse.
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- 1shooner 1y agoSociety generally puts maximal responsibility on school administrators for the well-being of students, so it should not be surprising that they will take maximal measures in response to that expectation. They are ultimately risk mitigators, not privacy ethicists, what would you expect them to do?
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- ThrowawayTestr 1y agoNot be authoritarian weirdos.
- Loughla 1y agoThey're expected to have complete control of the students and are held responsible like they have complete control. How the hell else are they supposed to act? I genuinely don't blame the schools here. I blame every single person who expects the schools to hold all encompassing control over a group of kids.
- ninalanyon 1y ago> They're expected to have complete control of the students Since when?
- Loughla 1y agoSince about 1999 or 2000. Columbine really shifted people's attitudes.
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- ty6853 1y agoThe administrators could educate and urge the parents and school board to vote against this faux risk mitigation.
- ty6853 1y agoAlso see the installation of "HALO" type detectors in schools. They use zero-party audio recording to detect 'gunshots' (why the fuck does a school need this to detect gunshots which will be heard throughout the whole school? Are they expecting the world's quietest silencer?) And I put in quotes, because gunshots here seems like a thinly veiled way to try and finagle around illegally recording people. They also invade the bathrooms with 'vape' detectors that smell the children at all times to make sure they are in compliance.
- ge96 1y agoI could see sound being drowned out from all the bending hallways/closed doors, I remember being in pretty big schools Interesting though I've seen these spiral dots before but didn't know what it was
- Loughla 1y agoFun fact, vape detectors are bypassed by blowing through a sweatshirt or hoody, or by running hot water in the sink.
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- danesparza 1y ago"why the fuck does a school need this to detect gunshots which will be heard throughout the whole school?" To establish a timeline (and a sense of 'due diligence') for the inevitable deposition.
- bell-cot 1y agoIt's more about addressing management/stakeholder anxiety, and helping with blame/liability issues.
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- nofinator 1y agoPrevious discussion (4 years ago): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27453800 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27453800
- renewiltord 1y agoWell, we do have to stay safe out there. We're in a pandemic. It amuses me that my rave groups already did contact tracing for respiratory illnesses before the pandemic and perhaps because of the large Asian friend group I’m part of we wore masks in more normal contexts when we had a cold. To be honest, most of the people designing the interventions are just generally short of mental horsepower and strong in self-belief. So they come up with novel approaches that aren’t really required. The fact that there are students who aren’t pro-social on campus complicated things but that’s a self-imposed problem. It can’t be helped: this is what happens with The Sort. If they were smarter they wouldn’t be college admins.
- constantcrying 1y agoThis of course is about Covid, but the rise of LLMs is another point where students are supposed to become less private, opening up their devices to monitoring software. I think that there is exactly one correct direction to take here, which is that direct human interaction is the most valuable thing, both in learning and in keeping students mentally and physically healthy. Every single surrogate for that inevitably will make all of these aspects worse.
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- IshKebab 1y ago> won't just disappear when the pandemic subsided. Yeah I'm pretty sure they don't have to wear heart monitors now.
- krapp 1y agoI wonder how far the overlap is in the Venn diagram of people who thought the pandemic would lead to an "Orwellian nightmare" and the people who voted for Trump and support DOGE, ICE and the administration's oppression of political wrongthink in universities. I'd bet it's an almost perfect circle.
- ninalanyon 1y agoThe US Surveilled Student I can't imagine such ideas being floated elsewhere. Certainly not without significant protest. So much for the land of the free.
- atoav 1y agoWorking in a German university. I had students in my courses where we noticed after two semesters that they aren't even studying here (not as if that was a problem, tuition is free and they were adding good spirits to the courses). And with "noticed" I mean they told us.
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- otherayden 1y agohttps://unbloq.us/https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-surveilled-student https://unbloq.us/https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-surv...