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The group dynamic changes the moment it is not single sex anymore.

by ReptileMan 1y ago

the_gipsy 1y ago
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- vladvasiliu 1y ago
  I don't think you need to exclude homosexuals. As a straight male, I interact with my homosexual buddies the same way I interact with my straight buddies. Women, gay or straight, interact differently, including those in whom I have no sexual interest. If there was inappropriate behavior which wouldn't stop once called out, they would be excluded.
  - the_gipsy 1y ago
    You specifically maybe don't, but homosexual (or bisexual) males do have sexual interest in other homo- or bisexual men. So it wouldn't be a "problem" as long as there exactly only one homosexual, or as long as they're a very small minority.
- nkrisc 1y ago
  No, you don’t.
- ReptileMan 1y ago
  No - enlighten me.
bregma 1y ago
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- rxtexit 1y ago
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- ReptileMan 1y ago
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  - nick__m 1y ago
    The demands from the lunatic fringe of a mouvement should be completely ignored. "Positive" racial segregation is still racial segregation and racial segregation is racism; unlike positive discrimination, there are no intellectually honest way to frame it otherwise. And excluding Jews because they are Jewish is antisemitism plain and simple. Excluding those that deny that Israel actions have become genocidal different, but you won't know who they are unless you talk to them and most importantly they are not necessarily Jewish !
    - Workaccount2 1y ago
      Trump was the lunatic fringe, and here we are.
  - UncleMeat 1y ago
    The "separate graduation ceremonies" were not that. A group of people from a black student group celebrating is not the same as separate graduation ceremonies. These kids also attended to the main ceremony. I'm visibly jewish and have been attending pride events and lgbt activist events for ages. I've never even heard of what you describe.
    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
      Dyke March New York City has banned Zionists this year. Organizers can’t agree on what that means. https://19thnews.org/2025/05/dyke-march-2025-new-york-city-zionists-ban/ https://19thnews.org/2025/05/dyke-march-2025-new-york-city-z...
      - meheleventyone 1y ago
        Far from being hard to understand Zionists in this sense is not all Jews but those that support the actions of Israel in the latest conflict because of the impact on the Palestinian civilian population. I agree there is a lot of equivocation in that article though but it mostly seems to be from people that wish to soft-soap the on-going war crimes Israel is committing rather than anyone genuinely being confused by the term. Basically one side is saying 'hey we don't want people that in our eyes support genocide taking part' and the other side is ignoring that and saying 'uWu we just want a Jewish state to exists but don't look at what the only extant state is actually doing'.
rxtexit 1y ago
Yes, it basically changes to men complaining about women. The people with a good sex life end up becoming therapists for the group. Mixed groups on the other hand turn into a soap opera. What is needed is a strong common interest that binds the group beyond these tendencies to stave off the soap opera entropy. The soap opera entropy will always increase with time though until the group dissolves. It is still more stable though than the misogynist entropy.
- ReptileMan 1y ago
  >Yes, it basically changes to men complaining about women. The people with a good sex life end up becoming therapists for the group. Just not true. Men only groups are rarely misogynist, more often they are homophobic in the sense that everyone is trying to imply that everyone else is secretly gay. There is also various forms of dick measuring contests - who can grill better, who caught bigger fish and so on. Also for hobbies. And a lot of stories. You have no idea the acts of bravery worthy of medal of honor you will hear. Bitching about women is minor. On the other hand being able to overhear what my roommate and her girlfriends (early 20s) talk about - on some evenings they don't pass the Bechdel test in real life. On other evenings it usually evenly split between men, fashion, professional.
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  - unhappy_meaning 1y ago
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  - johnny22 1y ago
    > There is also various forms of dick measuring contests - who can grill better, who caught bigger fish and so on. Also for hobbies. And a lot of stories. You have no idea the acts of bravery worthy of medal of honor you will hear. This is exactly what I do not want to be part of.

The group dynamic changes the moment it is not single sex anymore.

the_gipsy 1y ago

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vladvasiliu 1y ago
I don't think you need to exclude homosexuals. As a straight male, I interact with my homosexual buddies the same way I interact with my straight buddies. Women, gay or straight, interact differently, including those in whom I have no sexual interest. If there was inappropriate behavior which wouldn't stop once called out, they would be excluded.
- the_gipsy 1y ago
  You specifically maybe don't, but homosexual (or bisexual) males do have sexual interest in other homo- or bisexual men. So it wouldn't be a "problem" as long as there exactly only one homosexual, or as long as they're a very small minority.
nkrisc 1y ago
No, you don’t.
ReptileMan 1y ago
No - enlighten me.

bregma 1y ago

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rxtexit 1y ago
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ReptileMan 1y ago
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- nick__m 1y ago
  The demands from the lunatic fringe of a mouvement should be completely ignored. "Positive" racial segregation is still racial segregation and racial segregation is racism; unlike positive discrimination, there are no intellectually honest way to frame it otherwise. And excluding Jews because they are Jewish is antisemitism plain and simple. Excluding those that deny that Israel actions have become genocidal different, but you won't know who they are unless you talk to them and most importantly they are not necessarily Jewish !
  - Workaccount2 1y ago
    Trump was the lunatic fringe, and here we are.
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  The "separate graduation ceremonies" were not that. A group of people from a black student group celebrating is not the same as separate graduation ceremonies. These kids also attended to the main ceremony. I'm visibly jewish and have been attending pride events and lgbt activist events for ages. I've never even heard of what you describe.
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    Dyke March New York City has banned Zionists this year. Organizers can’t agree on what that means. https://19thnews.org/2025/05/dyke-march-2025-new-york-city-zionists-ban/ https://19thnews.org/2025/05/dyke-march-2025-new-york-city-z...
    - meheleventyone 1y ago
      Far from being hard to understand Zionists in this sense is not all Jews but those that support the actions of Israel in the latest conflict because of the impact on the Palestinian civilian population. I agree there is a lot of equivocation in that article though but it mostly seems to be from people that wish to soft-soap the on-going war crimes Israel is committing rather than anyone genuinely being confused by the term. Basically one side is saying 'hey we don't want people that in our eyes support genocide taking part' and the other side is ignoring that and saying 'uWu we just want a Jewish state to exists but don't look at what the only extant state is actually doing'.

rxtexit 1y ago

Yes, it basically changes to men complaining about women. The people with a good sex life end up becoming therapists for the group. Mixed groups on the other hand turn into a soap opera. What is needed is a strong common interest that binds the group beyond these tendencies to stave off the soap opera entropy. The soap opera entropy will always increase with time though until the group dissolves. It is still more stable though than the misogynist entropy.

ReptileMan 1y ago
>Yes, it basically changes to men complaining about women. The people with a good sex life end up becoming therapists for the group. Just not true. Men only groups are rarely misogynist, more often they are homophobic in the sense that everyone is trying to imply that everyone else is secretly gay. There is also various forms of dick measuring contests - who can grill better, who caught bigger fish and so on. Also for hobbies. And a lot of stories. You have no idea the acts of bravery worthy of medal of honor you will hear. Bitching about women is minor. On the other hand being able to overhear what my roommate and her girlfriends (early 20s) talk about - on some evenings they don't pass the Bechdel test in real life. On other evenings it usually evenly split between men, fashion, professional.
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- unhappy_meaning 1y ago
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- johnny22 1y ago
  > There is also various forms of dick measuring contests - who can grill better, who caught bigger fish and so on. Also for hobbies. And a lot of stories. You have no idea the acts of bravery worthy of medal of honor you will hear. This is exactly what I do not want to be part of.